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SophocIestheFox Sat 13-Feb-21 21:08:47

Old thread nearly full!


The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

Remember there are people out there who would like to silence us by fair means or foul.

This is a continuation of the Public Service Announcement thread:

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging. AS is your friend.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted.. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we always have community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the ‘Break it Down for me’ and ‘It never happens’ threads but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

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nauticant Sat 13-Feb-21 21:09:20


SophocIestheFox Sat 13-Feb-21 21:11:25



High five grin

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nauticant Sat 13-Feb-21 21:12:27

I've decided to make this thread all about me. Thanks for validating that.

picklemewalnuts Sat 13-Feb-21 21:14:24

Right. Trying to stay in the loop this time. Things seem quite lively at the moment.

OvaHere Sat 13-Feb-21 21:25:56

I see this thread is about sealions.

But what about the penguins?

gardenbird48 Sat 13-Feb-21 21:30:49

Nice. Hi Bbs. I promise to be better at not engaging - I have a level of pedantry in me that makes me itchy to leave blatant misinformation unchallenged but I’m sure I’ll find a better route through that delicate path :-)) I’m excited to buy an Adult Human Female bag. And did we make a breakthrough and get allowed to trend and be seen by all??

SophocIestheFox Sat 13-Feb-21 21:31:26

Oh, fuck, the penguin lobby have arrived.

Sorry, sorry, sorry, I should have addressed this to all partially aquatic mammals and birds. I’m cancelling myself right now!

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CaraDuneRedux Sat 13-Feb-21 21:56:39

Signing in, arf arf.

boatyardblues Sat 13-Feb-21 22:11:22


I've decided to make this thread all about me. Thanks for validating that.

Are you going to be thread training sealion?

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime Sat 13-Feb-21 22:14:43


Signing in, arf arf.

Very Thurber.

persistentwoman Sat 13-Feb-21 22:15:01

Love the cheerful start to the thread.

SophocIestheFox Sat 13-Feb-21 22:23:04

I’ve had feet like blocks of ice in this cold snap.

What I really need is thicker sock puppets.

Oops, I mean socks. Just socks.

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persistentwoman Sat 13-Feb-21 22:23:57

Snap Sophocles grin

KittyValentine Sat 13-Feb-21 22:25:05

Checking in

jj1968 Sat 13-Feb-21 22:26:00

It does amuse me that every time someone turns up who even slightly disagrees with gender critical dogma people assume it's all part of some elaborate plot.

nauticant Sat 13-Feb-21 22:26:49

Thanks for asking boatyardblues, training has such an interesting history.

Learning and development has changed greatly in recent decades, but the changes that have taken place recently are nothing compared to the drastic advancements that have occurred since the galvanising power of the industrial revolution in the 19th Century. Prior to this, few industries had even considered the possibility of professional development, and yet the progress that has been made since this time is astounding. In this series of features we want to celebrate the momentous transformation that has occurred in the field of L&D, leading to the amazing learning opportunities we have today.

19th Century
The major driving force for L&D in the 19th century was the industrial revolution. There was significant concern that Britain’s labour force was under-skilled compared with other nations, encouraging a push to develop in the industrial sectors. Furthermore, with a growing number of manufacturing processes becoming mechanised and a wide range of new service-based professions (e.g. lawyers and accountants) emerging, this sparked the need for more qualified people to take on these roles. To combat these issues there was a move towards specific workplace training to ensure workers had the skills necessary to embrace the latest developments in these emerging sectors. This emphasis on workplace training would be a common trend throughout the 20th century as new trades continued to surface.

The First World War
With the dawn of the First World War, the primary focus became the manufacturing of munitions - these needed to be produced as quickly as possible on a large scale. This required a huge increase in the number of people working to create weapons, and lead the Ministry of Munitions to develop training schemes that would enable a significant growth in the workforce as quickly as possible. Similarly, advanced training schemes were introduced for new recruits to the armed forces, many of whom attended accelerated programmes compared to the typical pathway. In addition to this, the loss of many working age men to the frontline also necessitated the introduction of women into a variety of roles. Due to the relatively small proportion of women who worked prior to this, (and often in significantly different occupations), many industries had to provide training for their new female employees to ensure ongoing success to support the war effort.

After the war ended there was an effort to return to a 'normal' way of life, but unfortunately due to their experiences during the war and the injuries many of them sustained, there were significant numbers of ex-servicemen who were unable to return to their pre-war roles. While women continued to contribute to the workforce, there was a new focus on offering assistance to ex-servicemen to help them return to employment. The King’s National Roll was a programme intended to help retrain men who had returned from war, and guaranteed them employment in a suitable role. It was a significant stepping stone towards a new way of using training to help people migrate between different roles, and although used for ex-servicemen in this case, set the stage for new learning initiatives in the future.

In addition to the King’s National Roll, in 1925 there was another post-war initiative aimed at helping ex-servicemen in particular, return to employment. The Interrupted Apprenticeship Scheme was launched to enable enlisted men to resume their pre-war apprenticeships. It is estimated that approximately 100,000 men successfully completed their training as a result of the initiative. In addition, the shift in focus during the war had led to a significant imbalance between the skills of the workforce; in particular there was a noticeable decrease in numbers of skilled workers compared with manual workers.

Training strategies were thus launched to increase the levels of skilled workers and reinvigorate the sectors that had suffered during the war. There was also a focus on helping redeploy women in the workplace as many of the roles they had occupied during the war were reassigned to the men who had returned home, and notable efforts were made to train women in the skills needed for domestic jobs.

With the end of the Second World War looming, large scale destruction was once again a serious issue in Britain. Efforts were consequently focused on training up a skilled labour and construction workforce who could aid in the reconstruction and development of post-war Britain. It was a particularly difficult time due to the significant amount of debt Britain incurred due to efforts to keep the country stable; however the investment in job creation and training enabled Britain to rebalance the economy and went on to promote substantial growth.

Please feel free to engage more with me about the history of training. I'm sure you'll learn lots of interesting facts.

MaudTheInvincible Sat 13-Feb-21 22:27:32

Giggling at the recent woolly footwear appearance

SophocIestheFox Sat 13-Feb-21 22:30:40

That’s a splendid wall of test nauticant, you’re off to a flying start grin

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SophocIestheFox Sat 13-Feb-21 22:31:15

*text not test!

Though I’m feeling quite testy, too.

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BuntingEllacott Sat 13-Feb-21 22:31:56

Someone is sensitive about cosy footwear I see. How very interesting.😂

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse Sat 13-Feb-21 22:32:27

Hello 😁

BuntingEllacott Sat 13-Feb-21 22:33:49

Personally I really enjoy it when my fluffy toe warmers tell me how brilliant I am. It's very affirming.

persistentwoman Sat 13-Feb-21 22:34:03

Wow nauticant - you were serious about thread training sealions grin. I once went on a training the trainers course.... the relevance of this to the thread I have yet to establish grin

gardenbird48 Sat 13-Feb-21 22:35:55

Please feel free to engage more with me about the history of training. I'm sure you'll learn lots of interesting facts.

Sounds ideal.

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