Trans councillor leaves roles after 'threats to life'

[Bespin]

I'm not one for posting threads on here but I feel this is quite a sad position for this person and shows how hard it is to maintain a professional stance on this when you are receiving threats and abuse at the levels that are currently happening on the Internet, in no way am I saying this is gender critical people. But this debate as now got to such a level that it is starting to cost people there livelihoods on both sides of this so called debate.


www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-tayside-central-45151228

[DancelikeEmmaGoldman]

www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/why-do-men-threaten-women-with-rape-to-shut-them-up-on-the-web/news-story/0abd8403e59747a51717f54b81a21b46

It's wrong.

But women in the spotlight have been dealing with this for years. It's not suddenly this debate which has created a toxic online environment of bullying and misogyny.

No-one should have to put up with abuse and death threats.

[ICJump]

Female MPs face this stuff all the time. Jo Cox was actually murdered.

[Lucyinthewardrobe]

What a disgusting example of an openly misogynistic man who has used some revolting, hateful language to talk about GC women, including calling them cunts, now trying to recast himself as the victim. Absolutely standard, typical behaviour from a TRA. I’m glad he has stepped down as he is not fit to be in a role where he represents people.

He has received negative attention because he is a disgusting misogynist, not because he is trans.

But as always, don’t let the facts get in the way of a good sensationalist post.

mobile.twitter.com/indy_leya/status/1018579341045837824

And don’t you dare try to compare this to the relentless tirade of online and offline abuse and intimidation that GC women are subjected to. I’d be surprised if he’s received death threats to be honest. It would be unusual behaviour from feminists if so. We are not the ones who threaten violence, rape and murder - that’s the transactivists MO.

[CircleofWillis]

I’m confused. Is Gregor a ftm transgender person? If so why are they so anti fairer representation for women?
Also what does ‘absolute roaster’ mean? I’m assuming it is a uniquely Scottish insult.

[OneEpisode]

Wide awake lurker here.
I do see the OPs name quite often in Feminism chat! And I probably wouldn’t characterise Bespin’s posting style as peacemaker? For instance omitting the name of the controversial be-bearded
Gregor?
To op Gregor says “they are non-binary”

Anywho I had a google and this did make me laugh:
Gregor Fisher Murray 🏳️‍🌈*@grogipher*
“This may be the most random and confusing hyphen I have ever encountered.
“@BBCTayCent: Trans-councillor leaves roles after 'threats “ “
One of those quote marks was the BBC’s...

[OneEpisode]

Fat fingers. I meant to answer Circle’s question, a pp. inadvertent autocorrect to op.

[SturdyEarmuffs]

His twitter timeline is full of retweets of what he's calling abuse - its people calling out his abuse. Not seen any threats to life. Given his inability to decipher the content of the 'abuse' he's retweeting, I'm a tad skeptical of the alleged death threats. Reminds me of someone else claiming threats which turned out to be posts by their own sock puppet a/c.

The other thing I noticed was his response to his abusive tweets after the #GettheLout protest - not taking responsibility for his own behaviour but blaming the actions of protesters. Seems he's taken the same line in his resignation from 2 posts - blaming others for his own behaviour & words. And it should also be stressed, he's still a councillor. Not lost his livelihood. Whatever alleged abuse he's had, to claim its a threat to his life, would be awful & I'd condemn if true.

As others have posted, this is so common for women online, it's seemingly overlooked as unimportant & not something to call out. I think if anyone was truly concerned about threats to life being part of this toxic debate, I'd expect dozens of threads posted up here, condemning them whenever its happened. Funnily enough, that doesn't happen.

I'll hold off any further judgement on this til I see what's been said & by whom.

[EmpressOfSpartacus]

So this Gregor Murray called the Pride protestors "utter cunts", and Women 50:50 "absolute roasters"? Good riddance.

[Bespin]

I posted this as I find it sad that people respond in such a way that they act in a way that causes them to step down from there job. I am not apeacemaker I have no role in this I just find it a sad position that people attack each other in this way. i wonder how we got to this position and where it will end

[SturdyEarmuffs]

Your 'sadness' would be more convincing if you'd said as much on the abuse & rape & death threats that trans activists dish out. Your very cosy with a lot of those who are still defending the violent attack on Maria McLachlan - so this 'sadness' is a tad cynical isn't it?

[CircleofWillis]

Bespin are you saying ‘she made me do it’ is Gregor’s general excuse for his behaviour?

[picklemepopcorn]

I read his explanation of his decision as a non apology for his own behaviour. He's stepping back because of his bad behaviour on social media

[WhatTheWatersShowedMe]

Aww diddums.

[Ginmakesitallok]

As far as I can work out he's just an arsehole. Good riddance. I'm not sure what makes him trans - don't think he is biologically a woman? He demands that people don't use male pronouns to describe him, yet portrays himself as a man? He says he's non binary??? Looks pretty binary to me.

[CircleofWillis]

Thanks for your explanations One and Gin. That would explain the blatant misogyny.

[CountFosco]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-tayside-central-45151228 slightly different view of it in the local paper that presumably hasn't drunk the koolaid . He's resigning because of his own bad behaviour.

[LizzieSiddal]

OP it’s good of you to draw our attention to this resignation, but you forgot to point out all the vile things he’s posted about women, which initially brought him to everyone’s attention.

I’m glad others on this thread have put that right for you OP.

[Bowlofbabelfish]

NO one should be getting death threats for carrying out their legal public duties.

However I’m rather confused at the post because it seems to imply that a fine upstanding member of the community has been hounded from the role.

We are talking about Gregor Murray here yes? The person who has used a stream of foul mouthed and abusive public pronouncements such as calling women cunts? The one who was investigated and told that use of such language in public platforms was completely unacceptable and that they would be dropped from said position? And who then blamed everyone else for their lack of ability to not be abusive to people in public?

I’m not sure what you do for a living bespin but if I’d used the language Gregor has in an identifiable public and work linked social media account, do you think my employer would be correct in starting proceedings against me?

Or should I be allowed to, say, call women cunts and roasters on my official social media platform accounts?

[TimeLady]

Hope this makes the national press ...with a photo.

[Latinista]

“Threat to life” is a common theme trotted out by the trans community to justify their actions and arguments. But I don’t see reports they are being murdered, maimed, oppressed or hospitalised with any kind of frequency or regularity. Am I reading the wrong paper?

[CesiraAndEnrico]

i wonder how we got to this position and where it will end

When people start borrowing from the Junta's Playbook, things don't usually go well.

Look at history. Squash dissenters, lable them pariahs and make it hard/impossible for them to speak, speak to each other, proffer their arguments in public, disagree with/criticise the better funded, the more powerful and the sacred..... those deemed revolting, often start revolting. With pointy sticks and more.

This happens when tipping point is reached where The Truth is deeply unconvincing to the majority of the masses and the constant pressure of self censure for the sake of personal ability to earn/liberty/safety becomes unbearable.

Why people think they are so clever that they can afford to borrow tactics that historically end up in a Backlash Tsunami, but expect different results, I don't know. Dunning-Kruger syndrome ? Arrogance on steroids ?

Having said that, having read your BBC link, this person's contribution to the report seems to be mostly trying to justify stuff they said/did. So... not inclined to take the wail of "threats" at face value.

A totally transparent strategy is becoming ever more common, portray oneself as The Victim as a shield against being accountable for your own behaviour. This started in the 80s and has got worse with age.

[Bespin]

Yes that is the point of the post that people's behaviour in this is becoming an issue. I have no idea if they received death threats or not. I took the title from the BBC site. I pointed out I don't think this is by gender critical people, I posted it to see what responses I got.

This debate is becoming about attacking others as Gregor themselves as also done and I don't think there behaviour is exceptable, as I don't think a lot of peoples is in the 'debate' we are quick to blame the other side on this and I agree this type of behaviour as come mostly from the TRA side which I also have issue with. but at what point are we going to stop attacking and actually start working to solve this 'debate'

[TerfsUp]

Gregor is hardly a victim.

[TimeLady]

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Gregor Fisher Murray
@grogipher
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15 Jul 2017

If you're going to write an article about me or send me abuse or whatever, can I please ask that you don't use male pronouns? Thank you

[TerfsUp]

but at what point are we going to stop attacking

By "we" do you you mean your fellow handmaidens and TRAs, bespin? If so, you need to address that question to them and not to this board.