Trans councillor leaves roles after 'threats to life'

[Bespin]

I'm not one for posting threads on here but I feel this is quite a sad position for this person and shows how hard it is to maintain a professional stance on this when you are receiving threats and abuse at the levels that are currently happening on the Internet, in no way am I saying this is gender critical people. But this debate as now got to such a level that it is starting to cost people there livelihoods on both sides of this so called debate.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-tayside-central-45151228

It's not hard. If you want to be any kind of public figure then don't call people 'cunts' on social media. (And yes, Gregor, lesbians and feminists are people too).
Twitter isn't new, it's been around for over 10 years. Every single tweet can be screenshot. There are people out there who will comb through every single tweet you have ever made just to find something that is slightly dodgy. And that's anyone who is slightly famous.
And yet people still keep getting caught out. Unbelievable.

Juella looks like a bloke with a beard trying to find a marginalised group to join, like Edward Lord.

For goodness sake, can't someone start saying they won't employ men with beards/think up a rude epithet to shout in the street against beards.
These poor beardy men just have no chance to be oppressed. Won't someone think of the beards?
Just £50 will buy an artisan beard trimmer.
Donate now at www.beardyopression.com

Wanderabout

it was not normal to think that then we had the brexit debate and somone got murdered because someone who possibly had issues with there mental health or their ideology decided that was the answer

but what happens when service decide they don't want that will campaign them to enforce it even if they dont want to

I don’t understand the question. Can you rephrase it more clearly? Who campaigns for what?

The heat, the insults, the threats are coming from the TRA - go lecture and wipe your brow at them. GC have not made bomb threats, harassed venue owners and their employees or intimidated people peacefully trying to attend a meeting to peacefully - not heartedly debate. The GC people wanting to debate remained peaceful in the face of hostility. The only possible insult being to accuse someone of being a "posh boy" They have not made death or rape threats or attacked a 60 yr old.

The person in this example.seems an example of the aggressive Trad and much of the "attacks" seem to be people pulling them up. No sympathy for them. I suspect if they learn some manners they will be treated accordingly.

Also, no GC have exposed themselves at work. Your vulnerable TRA position is tainted and thoroughly made up

No go away and behave yourself. Leave your wooden spoon behind. You fool only yourself.

Bespin Can I ask you read the two aticles from the Dundee Chronicle which has reported the details?

The same question will of course rightly be asked of the BBC reporter no doubt.

If you could post which of his recent tweets or reddit comments about the issue you found professional, so that we can see how dedicated he was, that would be grand.

Bowlofbabelfish

if the services you want to have single sex spaces decide that it includes trans people will. you support there decision to do that or will you campaign against them. services do not have to provide single sex spaces and only. very few do for valid reasons do you think more will if given the chance

If you don't complain the BBC will continue to do this. Pretty sure they don't read mumsnet.

looks like a bloke with a beard trying to find a marginalised group to join, like Edward Lord.

Absolutely.

What was the quote again about running a long hot bath of someone else's oppression and getting in for a wank...?

I always think of that quote when chuffs like this one pop up as they regularly do.

I would like there to be spaces everyone feels they can use safely and happily.

Women and girls who are biologically female need to have the choice of meaningfully single sex changing rooms etc when they want them. (This is not going to be possible if male bodied people saying they are trans/non binary pressure shops to be 'trained' to let them in as has been happening only recently.)

Others who are happy with mixed biological sex areas should be able to access them safely and without fear of harm.

it was not normal to think that then we had the brexit debate and somone got murdered because someone who possibly had issues with there mental health or their ideology decided that was the answer

No one came posting on mumsnet to tell us someone might get murdered for debating Brexit.

What was the quote again about running a long hot bath of someone else's oppression and getting in for a wank...?

That is spectacularly apt! Nailed it. Completely.

Who is it you think will murder who? Why do you think that? Why are you posting about it here, what do you want to happen?

again for clarification I think they are an ideot I think that they should have thought before commenting in such a way and that there own behaviour as caused them to lose there position. I can see why faced with abuse that may happen and I can on occasion be sarcastic as we are all human after all. but when this debate gets to this level just saying its the other sides fault will kot. solve it. I 100% the vast majority of it is coming from TRA and again I have spoken especially to young people, in the real world about why that sort of responce may not be exceptable. if. you see everything as an attack then you do tend to attack back in defence

I'm not completely clear what you're saying, Bespin. But what it sounds like is "Be careful what you say, gender critical people, or a trans person will kill themselves or one of you and it will be your fault" Is that it?

Except the "Attack" women are perpetrating is not physical, it is simply saying "no!" and refusing to acquiesce in a legal fiction any more!

If the TRAs would talk without their fists and male pattern aggression, sexual violence etc, there would be no issue. A debate would take place and compromises reached... as usually happens in a civilised society!

i can see why faced with abuse that may happen

But no one was abusing Gregor. Gregor was calling women cunts and roasters and was called out on it.

Gregor is not the victim here, even though Gregor is portraying themselves as such

Wanderabout

do you ever worry about this at all? I also worry that the emotional distress this causes some in my. community may be too much or even in GC people that there are vunrable poeple in this debate and that is why this debate needs to be conducted in a way that minimises the risk to them i think Gregor's comments don't do that nether does the abuse they received

Bespin

Are you concerned by the innacurate and / or biased reporting by the BBC, having now read the background to the case?

Do you agree that others who have only read the BBC article may now have a distorted picture of the circumstances as perhaps you did initially?

Yup Sturdy that quote nails them all to a tee.

if. you see everything as an attack then you do tend to attack back in defence

You have just come on here to post that you think someone will get murdered because of a political debate. Mumsnetters are not causing or initiating violence.

What is your point or suggestion for people on this board?

Are you suggesting we should stop talking about our legal rights? Are you suggesting that if we stop saying 'no I want some single sex spaces' no one will get hurt?!? Or what?

I can see why faced with abuse that may happen

Nice try - the councillor was the one giving out abuse, not receiving it or being provoked by it. He's an opinionated misogynistic abuser, nothing more. Thinks he's entitled to spout this crap & then claim victimhood. And the likes of you regurgitate that lie & spew faux concern over "tragedy" or women's safety.

Go cry your fake tears over to your twitter pals, see how many share your concerns over women's safety at the hands of TRAs. I'm sure they'll all rally round, and support your new found cause to lobby immediately for all this misogyny to be recorded as hate crimes.

BertrandRussell

no that's not what I'm saying I'm concerned that people are undertaking actions that cost them a position in this case and a criminal record in another that this will ruin people's lives

again for clarification I think they are an ideot I think that they should have thought before commenting in such a way and that there own behaviour as caused them to lose there position

I feel this is quite a sad position for this person and shows how hard it is to maintain a professional stance on this when you are receiving threats and abuse at the levels that are currently happening on the Internet, in no way am I saying this is gender critical people.

Bespin.

Stop lying. Earlier when you posted this you didn't think they were an idot.

You thought it was hard for them to maintain their professional stance.

You got called out by people pointing out that they didn't have a professional stance. That they were in fact nothing more than a common or garden MRA abusing women [like we've never seen that before].

The more you post shit like this, the more you are putting a dividing line between what we might call 'genuine' transwomen and TRA/MRAs.

You just do not seem to see this.

The more you attack women for standing up for their rights, the more division there will be.