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Super-sensitive new colleague: how to manage

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GustyFinknottle · 14/09/2023 21:07

I work in a sales and marketing team for a small company that doesn't have in-house HR. My manager has been on sick leave for five weeks and I, being the oldest and longest-serving member of the department, have been instructed to deal with this situation as best I can by my manager's manager (who is the company director/ owner).

Before he went off sick my manager recruited a young woman (a recent graduate) to work as an assistant. She's very conscientious and she seems super-sensitive about what I and my fellow colleagues would regard as normal work exchanges and feedback. It's a fairly relaxed environment and we understand that it takes a while to learn the systems and don't expect her to get everything right all the time.

Part of her work involves updating product specs. I was wfh a couple of weeks ago and couldn't find the updated version of a file I knew she'd been working on, so I emailed her saying 'Hi, I'm looking for the latest version of the XYZ file. Are you still working on it?' She responded that she had completed the task and uploaded the file. I took another look, still couldn't find it, so emailed asking her to double-check it was completed and she'd uploaded it. She said she had. It turned out, when I searched for it, that she'd accidentally changed the title and put it in the wrong folder. I called her to say I'd found it, told her what had happened and suggested it was something to look out for in the future. I assured her that it's still early days and that we've all done similar things. We laughed at how easy it was to do and that was that.

The following day I received an email telling me she felt I owed her an apology because I had accused her of not completing the work when she said she had. I responded in writing saying that I was sorry that was how she'd understood my words, but there was no accusation intended, I was just trying to work out where the file was. She came back saying she still thought I ought to apologise. I sat down with a cup of tea, wondered wtf was going on, gave it some thought and responded via email asking how how she'd like me to approach her in the future if something like this happened again. Her response was that if she tells me she's done something I need to trust that she has and not accuse her of lying, which she felt I had by asked her to double-check. She again asked for an apology in writing. I said I was sorry that she felt I was accusing her of not having completed the task and that seemed to satisfy her, but it was such a bizarre exchange that I haven't been able to relax around her since.

I thought I was the only one, but apparently something similar has been going on with two other colleagues. They've both been asked to apologise for the kind of functional communications that go on in every office I've worked in. They're both decent people who feel quite offended by her accusations. They've asked me to talk to her and have made it clear they feel that working with her is going to be a challenge. She is in week nine of a three month probationary period and this needs to be dealt with before the end of probation. My manager is off sick. I've asked the director for permission to involve the HR consultant and I'm waiting for a response, but I'd like to have a conversation with her in the next few days in order to put down a marker and then work out where to go from there.

Has anyone encountered anything like this? Is this a generational thing? I'm in my 50s, my other colleagues are at least 15 years older than her. Our adult children aren't like this but is this the new normal?

I was wondering about asking her if she was enjoying working here and seeing what she has to say. Would it be acceptable to say that I get the impression, from some of her communications with me and others, that she doesn't seem comfortable with the way our team communicates, and that's something she needs to work on? This is a pleasant place to work, everyone in the is pretty reasonable and good at what they do and we've been a good — and effective — team. Is it appropriate to alert her that being able to work comfortably with other team members, in an established office culture, is vital? That being able to handle reasonable requests and feedback from colleagues is all part of the job?

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willWillSmithsmith · 18/09/2023 12:02

Pupinski · 16/09/2023 19:48

Consider that she might be neurodivergent and so understand things more literally than they are intended. It's not uncommon for neurodivergent people (like me) to be both passionate about injustice and compelled to tell the truth. If she misunderstood your communication as an accusation and therefore an injustice, she might have had genuine difficulty refraining from seeking redress by way of an apology to right the wrong.

Just something to be mindful of, both with regard to the way you communicate with her and the way she communicates with you. I think your asking her how she would like you to deal with such situations is a very good idea.

My friend’s son (20yr) is ND and yes he doesn’t interact exactly how my non ND kids do but neither his mum nor I tolerate bad manners from him. I don’t think being ND should give people a pass to be rude and obnoxious to anybody and everybody.

Sunshine997 · 18/09/2023 12:14

I agree 100% with this. You are lucky she is in a probation period,
Id also add: before any meeting clearly write down what you want to cover.
Hows it going
Further support required
Feedback moving forward
Her adapting to the team
Consequences moving forward
Id also document what you say for your own purpose and also summarise the discussion and next steps via email to her following the meeting.
I once had a HR conversation twisted to suit which ive then been able to prove otherwise due to the email trail.
But this is an entite red flag banner, especially to a small individual business, let her go now.

SilverGlitterBaubles · 18/09/2023 13:14

@Airconner Well it sounds like you have done all you can to prepare your DD for the workplace so hopefully some of that will eventually sink in. I do think it is a generational thing that they have a completely different attitude to those more senior. I think a PP has also pointed out the influence of social media much of it American which reinforces this sense of entitlement and pits the younger generation against the old dinosaurs who of course know nothing Wink

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/09/2023 13:38

I hear lots of those on MN saying that they do not expect their DCs to work while at uni and I wonder if this is actually a bad idea if they enter the workplace with qualifications but no idea how to actually work

A very valid point, and from long experience I can assure you that those who haven't done any form of work are instantly identifiable at interview ... and not just because of what it says on their CV

Constance11 · 18/09/2023 14:07

SilverGlitterBaubles · 17/09/2023 23:24

@Airconner I do think that there is more likely to be an issue with the current cohort of graduates or trainees and that it will get worse. Interested to know if your DD had any previous work experience, any part time jobs or work that could have given her more of an insight into the workplace? I hear lots of those on MN saying that they do not expect their DCs to work while at uni and I wonder if this is actually a bad idea if they enter the workplace with qualifications but no idea how to actually work.

I agree with you about the current cohort. I work at a Russell Group university and this current cohort has more reasonable adjustments than any group I have seen before. I am not placing any judgements on them, but I do wonder how a lot of the students I currently teach are going to cope out there once they enter the world of work and adulthood. Good luck to them, but I can imagine a fair few of them acting like the person who is the subject of this thread!

Lose10kyesterday · 18/09/2023 14:58

"I work at a Russell Group university and this current cohort has more reasonable adjustments than any group I have seen before."
@Constance11 - I wonder if you could kindly clarify what you mean by "more reasonable adjustments" in that context, please? I'm afraid I can't make sense of it.

burnoutbabe · 18/09/2023 15:05

reasonable adjustments are students asking for extentions etc when submitting essays.

I know tons of my fellow masters asked for them just last year - like 50% on some courses. for things like "clashed with other exams" or "working". twas madness. not actually big issues like death or illness .

Lose10kyesterday · 18/09/2023 15:10

Ah, thank you so much, @burnoutbabe. Not being an academic, I haven't come across that term before. I don't think it was called that when I was a university student 50 years ago!

Constance11 · 18/09/2023 17:23

Lose10kyesterday · 18/09/2023 15:10

Ah, thank you so much, @burnoutbabe. Not being an academic, I haven't come across that term before. I don't think it was called that when I was a university student 50 years ago!

There seems to be a lot more students diagnosed conditions such as autism and ADHD, but also I have many students who claim to have unspecified anxiety and so need more time etc. It's almost (in my opinion) that some young adults are unable to process or sit with the more uncomfortable emotions and have pathologised them. When I was at university in the early 2000s is was totally normal to feel high levels of stress around assessments and deadlines..

SalmonBelongInTheWater · 20/09/2023 09:40

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/09/2023 13:38

I hear lots of those on MN saying that they do not expect their DCs to work while at uni and I wonder if this is actually a bad idea if they enter the workplace with qualifications but no idea how to actually work

A very valid point, and from long experience I can assure you that those who haven't done any form of work are instantly identifiable at interview ... and not just because of what it says on their CV

DH and I have opposing views on this for our kid.

Personally, I believe that working alongside studying is so important for what it teaches you. I did various jobs while at college and then university and during my Masters. It was hard, hard work, yes, but the skills I learnt from those jobs I still use today in my professional career. It taught me a lot about hard work, self-sufficiency, dealing with difficult people, emotional management.

DH didn't work throughout college or uni, just focused on studying. He did really well, has a great job, but the only menial job he's ever done is a gap year working in a sandwich shop. He think it's better for our child to focus on studies and doing well and is happy for them to not work as long as they're getting good grades at school/college and taking it seriously.

We're several years away from this becoming an imminent thing to handle and I'm sure it'll all shake out one way or another.

Airconner · 20/09/2023 10:31

SalmonBelongInTheWater · 20/09/2023 09:40

DH and I have opposing views on this for our kid.

Personally, I believe that working alongside studying is so important for what it teaches you. I did various jobs while at college and then university and during my Masters. It was hard, hard work, yes, but the skills I learnt from those jobs I still use today in my professional career. It taught me a lot about hard work, self-sufficiency, dealing with difficult people, emotional management.

DH didn't work throughout college or uni, just focused on studying. He did really well, has a great job, but the only menial job he's ever done is a gap year working in a sandwich shop. He think it's better for our child to focus on studies and doing well and is happy for them to not work as long as they're getting good grades at school/college and taking it seriously.

We're several years away from this becoming an imminent thing to handle and I'm sure it'll all shake out one way or another.

I think the impact and benefit of working in a part time job will vary depending on the individual. Some will have a high degree of emotional intelligence, confidence and social skills - their interests will incline them towards honing these skills as they develop...they might choose to play sport, volunteer, or join a club at Uni and through those opportunities gain some valuable life experience. If however they they tend to focus solely on their studies, avoiding people they don't naturally gel with and avoiding challenging social scenarios, cocooning themselves from real life then I think it's a risky strategy - one-dimensional development - the feeling that all they can do is pass exams, isn't a great confidence booster - despite the hubris that often surrounds it.

GrinAndVomit · 20/09/2023 10:43

SalmonBelongInTheWater · 20/09/2023 09:40

DH and I have opposing views on this for our kid.

Personally, I believe that working alongside studying is so important for what it teaches you. I did various jobs while at college and then university and during my Masters. It was hard, hard work, yes, but the skills I learnt from those jobs I still use today in my professional career. It taught me a lot about hard work, self-sufficiency, dealing with difficult people, emotional management.

DH didn't work throughout college or uni, just focused on studying. He did really well, has a great job, but the only menial job he's ever done is a gap year working in a sandwich shop. He think it's better for our child to focus on studies and doing well and is happy for them to not work as long as they're getting good grades at school/college and taking it seriously.

We're several years away from this becoming an imminent thing to handle and I'm sure it'll all shake out one way or another.

How is your husband with the division of household chores? I know it’s off the topic but I wondered if someone with this experience might develop an attitude to menial work which extends outside of the workplace.

Airconner · 20/09/2023 12:32

GrinAndVomit · 20/09/2023 10:43

How is your husband with the division of household chores? I know it’s off the topic but I wondered if someone with this experience might develop an attitude to menial work which extends outside of the workplace.

And there's always the concern that the attitude to menial tasks extends to people within the workspace - we've seen that before and it wasn't pleasant or profitable for the consultant involved, who was never invited back.

GrinAndVomit · 20/09/2023 12:33

Airconner · 20/09/2023 12:32

And there's always the concern that the attitude to menial tasks extends to people within the workspace - we've seen that before and it wasn't pleasant or profitable for the consultant involved, who was never invited back.

Yes. Excellent point.

SalmonBelongInTheWater · 20/09/2023 13:20

GrinAndVomit · 20/09/2023 10:43

How is your husband with the division of household chores? I know it’s off the topic but I wondered if someone with this experience might develop an attitude to menial work which extends outside of the workplace.

He's pretty good.

Household-wise, he is less bothered than I am by things being clean and tidy but will happily do his share to keep it that way. I don't think he cleans to my standard naturally, but he has learned to do it properly.

Parenting-wise, he's completely brilliant. Truly does 100% of his half of the parenting, if not more at times. Has always been very proactive, involved, and in-tune with our kid from birth. Definitely does more than the majority of husbands/partners I see in my friend group.

I think the biggest problem he faces is not the work thing, it's being raised in a culture where boys are seen as little kings and sisters are more the thing you get through before you manage to conceive a boy. Very patriarchal.

DoratheFlora · 20/09/2023 14:12

Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread.

IME there are always two sides to a story. What training and induction did she have? Was it thorough? Did she think it was sufficient?

I'm in my 50s and think that most companies don't offer sufficient training for new starters. Most people are chucked in and expected to get on with it. That's just about manageable when you have a few years experience but tough if you are a new graduate or school leaver. Also, university students are very much bigged up and told they are 'leaders' and all sorts of other bullshit hence there is far less understanding of the need for them to fit into the work hierarchy.

I suspect that she is actually struggling and stressed. Rather than ask for help she is getting defensive when questioned.

Has anyone followed up with her and asked her how she is coping or has everyone just assumed she is a difficult new starter?

thelongroad · 20/09/2023 14:22

Her attitude doesn't suggest lack of training or induction though - she's rude and entitled and doesn't understand how a workplace with colleagues functions.

Airconner · 20/09/2023 17:15

thelongroad · 20/09/2023 14:22

Her attitude doesn't suggest lack of training or induction though - she's rude and entitled and doesn't understand how a workplace with colleagues functions.

I think it’s likely she doesn’t understand how a workplace with colleagues functions and that might be making her appear rude and entitled. I would be having a chat with her first about how she needs to behave - navigating work relationship and expectations can be hard, she might be getting ‘being assertive’ and showing ‘leadership potential’ very wrong indeed. It’s amazing how many grads we have interviewed who have admitted to being aggressive towards their team mates to get a job done. Candidates with experience know better.

CherryMaDeara · 20/09/2023 17:27

@GustyFinknottle has she got the sack?

GustyFinknottle · 20/09/2023 21:00

It's done. I'm not going to go into details, but we kept it short. She's been paid to the end of the three-month period and was asked to clear her desk straight away. I'd cleared the office to make it as painless for her as possible. She was obviously not at all happy, called us some colourful names and has told us her solicitor will be in touch. Not a pleasant experience. Now it's my job to find a replacement. Hoping my boss will be back before long, don't think I like this management malarkey.

Thank you for all the constructive feedback, I've learned a lot.

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AnneLovesGilbert · 20/09/2023 21:08

Well done. Have a stiff drink and breathe a sigh of relief it’s over.

Clymene · 20/09/2023 21:18

Well done you. Horrible experience for you but her response has confirmed you were absolutely right to let her go. Pity the next poor sods who take her on.

Re the replacement, now you know what you're NOT looking for, it should be easier to find the right person. There are lots of great young people out there, despite all the horror stories! We have a graduate trainee and two apprentices working with our team at the moment and they’re an absolute joy

Aquamarine1029 · 20/09/2023 21:20

Excellent result, op, and very well done. I second a stiff drink or at least an outrageously large glass of wine.

Sheisready · 20/09/2023 21:27

Well done OP, sounds pretty awful for all involved Flowers

3luckystars · 20/09/2023 21:33

I know you don’t want to go into too much detail, but do you think she knew why it was happening?

Well done by the way.