Message for Xenia

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What I would like to ask is how exactly do you find so much spare time to chat on these boards about earning between £100k and £250k when you have five children of your own and also what seems must be a very demanding full time job?

I have just one child and a very part time job and this will be about the only 5 minutes I get to luxuriate on the internet?

But Xenia isn't true to her own thoughts. She claims to be a Catholic, yet thinks prostitution is o.k and cannot see why someone might not just think about themselves when choosing to work or not.
Actually what made me think she was a troll was this disparity between her spiritual beliefs and what she says on here.

The thing is Chandra - I see where you are coming from but is she strong or just bigoted? She seems to have a complete inability to question any part of her views or moderate them even an iota.

Many posters on here change their perspective on issues following a reasoned debate, imo that is strength of character (personal growth, whatever you want to call it)

With apologies Xenia for talking about you as if you are not here, but addressing you directly now, don't you see it is unhealthy and - I'm sorry - not terribly intelligent, to be so fixed and dogmatic in your opinions?

Perhaps she has her own breeed of Catholicism?

I hate that type of hypocritical Christianity. Jesus hated it even more.

Um, that would have been hypocritical Judaism. But the effect is much the same.

I agree Xenia comes across as "strong". So is a solid steel door. Not a virtue, necessarily.

Why judaism. She said she is Catholic?

No, Uwila. The previous poster said she hated hypocritical Christianity and Jesus hated it even more. I am pointing out that the hypocrisy Jesus condemned was Judaic, not Christian.

Yes Jesus was hypocritical about Judaism but I'm saying Xenia's Christianity is hypocritical.

They are at day schools.
I'm not quite a one with the Catholic church on all issues, although most of their core beliefs are good. They did annul my marriage. God invented sex. I'm sure he wanted people to enjoy it and laughs at the knots we tie ourselves in over it.

Mog, Jesus wasn't hypocritical, he exposed hypocrites, particularly those pious people who thought they had a free pass into heaven.

Xenia's certainly not the first to have argued that marriage is legalised prostitution or slavery.

Carol Pateman (1988), "The Sexual Contract": sees marriage as ?an unwritten contract for exchange: economic support and protection given by the male for sexual service and unpaid domestic service given by the female?

Engels: ?The modern individual family is founded on the open or concealed domestic slavery of the wife? (though of course that was a while ago now)

why are we disliking xenia? i have obviously missed the beggining of this but having (very quickly) skimmed the thread she seems intelligent and articulate. her views are a little contravercial at times but not extreme.

and i must admit that in many way i can see the similarity between marriage and prostitution.

as i say i have not read the whoel thread nor have i seen whatever it is that Xenia has said that seems to have pissed so many off, so dont shout at me.

"God invented sex. I'm sure he wanted people to enjoy it"

Tell that one to the priests

I find it quite horrible that Xenia has five children but not the slightest idea of what it means to be a family. You are a family. The family has certain needs. The children of the family need to be fed, cared for and nurtured. The family needs a certain amount of money to be housed, clothed and fed. So the adults in the family mutually decide to share these reponsibilities in a way that suits them. The money will be got and the caring will be done. And you call this 'prostitution'? As if it is somehow disgusting and vile for two parents to share the job of raising a family together. It makes me sick, frankly. I think she's a freak. And I bloody work.

Are men who look after children prostitutes, or is this revolting, misogynistic terminology only used when mothers look after the children?

To be fair to Xenia, I think her point is that two parents SHOULD "share the job of raising a family together".

But when a woman does so, she is a prostitute. Very fair and reasonable.

She's said she doesn't really agree with it. She was being provocative. I enjoy her posts. They make me laugh. And I don't disagree with her all the time.

No, I think it's pretty clear that is what she thinks. If you make an agreement to look after your own children you are no better than and no different from a whore.
I have seen nothing whatsover to rival this in offensiveness on Mumsnet - ever.

"It's an argument of many people use. I don't particularly believe it. It's not my core belief but I don't think I would ever have liked to be economically dependent on a man."

'I suppose the average mumsnet marriage which seems to be virtually sex free (see myriad of no sex in marriage threads) the man pays and doesn't even get the sex back'

Point taken. B/c according to an equal number of threads, he is indeed getting it.

Just not at home.

Controversial, but if there's one thing I hope my daughters learn, it's how to enjoy sex.

I'm certainly grateful for the . . . tutors . . . I had in my youth.

Some of this is making me laugh. May be some of you have a sense of humour after all, thank God. I can tahkn him for that as well as sex.

Like the line about those having it away when they don't get it at home.

Yes, those were the kinds of quotes etc I'm sure we've all read - it's a view. It's going a bit far to say I've labelled all women on mumsnet who take money, give sex and keep house as prostitutes but remember I said there was nothing wrong with prostitution anyway (it's probably keeping many a sexless mumsnet marriage alive anyway - you probably owe them a debt - he's having to pay twice then...)

"Carol Pateman (1988), "The Sexual Contract": sees marriage as ?an unwritten contract for exchange: economic support and protection given by the male for sexual service and unpaid domestic service given by the female?
Engels: ?The modern individual family is founded on the open or concealed domestic slavery of the wife? .

If I survive my trip tomorrow I will start a nice happy thread about something everyone might agree on.

"Is Xenia a self opinionated knob who loves to pontificate bullshit endlessly?"

Is that a nice happy thread title that everyone can agree on?

Sorry people - yes I have lapsed into abuse, but can't she just GO AWAY - she is boring the arse off me...

I don't see how you can think prostitution is o.k. and call yourself a catholic/christian. It's not about God not wanting people to enjoy sex, it's about adultery, abuse of power, the weak and poor in society and the choices they are forced to make.