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Some clarity in how the trans movement became so embedded, so preeminent

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MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 22/09/2026 13:17

Despite being called a conspiracist here by a TRA, actually I work very hard to continually interrogate my thought processes, and not fall into easy generalisations etc.
So, I was reading Róisín Michaux and her fascinating conversation with someone high up in HIV funding, and the push in the last 20 years is to get everyone in the tent on retrovirals, meaning reaching out to not just gays and addicts, but sex workers (incl trans) and critically, the "third genders" who have migrated to the West in large numbers to end up as sex workers. And the decision was made to go for maximum anti stigmatization, which means zero messaging on personal behaviour, and critically deciding to accept these men as women. Don't blame them, get more onside.
Guess who has to move aside, and accept the messaging on health grounds that biological men can be women? Made even worse by the increase in HIV in European women who are the partners of men who use the services of these "third genders".
Then yesterday I read the amazing post from Hellofabore about how for 30 years plus, the sports authorities including IOC and FIFA decided to make total inclusion the policy, phasing out gender testing, primarily to allow the male DSDs from Africa mainly to be included, as they were IDd as female at birth, and the cruelty to deny they're still female is wrong.
Again, the overwhelming need is to not stigmatize these individuals. Of course a huge group (we know who) are stigmatized for objecting to losing sports opportunities.
And then back to Róisín Michaux again, her illuminating the revolution in psychiatric medicine, where men back in the day were diagnosed with transvestic disorder, a pure paraphylia, again to stop judging and be more inclusive, underwent massive de-stigmatisation and de-pathologisation, from paraphylia, to dysphoria, now to common all garden "sexual health category".
Three enormous areas where the drive to include men, to destigmatise their plight, to bring them in from the cold, couldn't happen in a vacuum. Society organised along sex-based lines couldn't be simply recategorised, no, a large population group (51% XX) was expected to move over, make their definition porous, extend the collective hand of kindness and inclusion, to this hardcore of men who were deemed most at risk, and needing most help.
At the same time, this blurring of definitions and imposed inclusivity spread from sport and medicine to law and education, the most motivated men worked hard to get the Gender Recognition Act on the statute book, and via Stonewall culture, "social training" and the "trans child" escalated as concepts and then real world consequences as noone in polite society other than a very brave few said anything.
So now we have developing nations male DSDs and "third genders", socially incorporated transvestites/transsexuals, and queer culture first world transgenders in the mix, a political culture in the West frozen into aquiescence and policy drift, and the only light of realism and sanity, an army of women fighting back, with amazing results re SC ruling, banishing self ID into the long grass, and medical and sports bodies tacking back to sanity.
But reading the almost scary analogousness of how health brought in trans and third genders at the expense of women, sport brought in male DSDs at the expense of women, psychiatry brought in transvestites from the cold at the expense of women, you can then see how the most motivated men got the Gender Recognition Act on the statute book to turbo charge the social trans/trans child revolution.
For me, I can now see the past as it travels into the future.

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ArabellaScott · 30/09/2026 21:34

Rollingpinofdoom · 30/09/2026 21:08

They can perfectly well use the facilities relevant to their sex, they just don’t want to. If they feel uncomfortable, that’s on them to deal with.

If a man feels uncomfortable in the gents the solution isnt to make women feel uncomfortable in the ladies'.

Helleofabore · 30/09/2026 21:40

Lacksie · 30/09/2026 21:22

Parag 217

"Because how does this work? The judgement pointed out that any male person entering a female single sex provision makes that provision mixed sex and no longer single sex"

The judgement did NOT say this: this is how it has been widely interpreted including by the EHRC guidance but that's not the same thing as the court actually saying this itself. They didn't.

Ok thank you

The point being though in what way is a male person’s presence in a female single sex provision not compromise the dignity and privacy of the female people who need that provision to be female single sex?

Specifically please. Not vague assurances that it is possible. Please actually properly engage with the issue and give details.

How does this happen? In what provision can a male person have access without compromising female people’s privacy and dignity.

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2026 21:47

I find it totally shocking the way @Lacksietime and time again, in as many ways as possible, wants to prioritise men over women.

The misogyny on display here is unreal.

murasaki · 30/09/2026 21:52

Apart from RapidOnset, whose feelings are casually brushed aside for those of a more special man. I find what she's said to him cruel.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 30/09/2026 21:55

ArabellaScott · 30/09/2026 21:34

If a man feels uncomfortable in the gents the solution isnt to make women feel uncomfortable in the ladies'.

💯

The worst of it is, they don't even realise that's what they are saying. It's all "ooooh women will be nice, women will be kind, women won't mind" and they probably really believe that is a nice and reasonable way to think.

But underneath it, the reality. Their actual belief, an unspoken, subconscious belief that allows them to give away women's rights, resources and literal unique identity so glibly, is that women don't matter.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/09/2026 21:55

As usual with all transactivists, Lacksie sees women and girls as support humans - there to strip, use the toilet, sleep on a ward when vulnerable, hand over their team place for the benefit of sad men.

Completely oblivious to women's rights and the need to safeguard children - all disposable if certain men demand it.

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TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2026 21:56

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/09/2026 21:55

As usual with all transactivists, Lacksie sees women and girls as support humans - there to strip, use the toilet, sleep on a ward when vulnerable, hand over their team place for the benefit of sad men.

Completely oblivious to women's rights and the need to safeguard children - all disposable if certain men demand it.

.

Yup. We have no agency of our own, we are only here to serve men 🙄

murasaki · 30/09/2026 21:59

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2026 21:56

Yup. We have no agency of our own, we are only here to serve men 🙄

And yet people like that find the term handmaiden offensive. Odd, it's pretty accurate.

Heggettypeg · 30/09/2026 21:59

Lacksie · 30/09/2026 21:22

Parag 217

"Because how does this work? The judgement pointed out that any male person entering a female single sex provision makes that provision mixed sex and no longer single sex"

The judgement did NOT say this: this is how it has been widely interpreted including by the EHRC guidance but that's not the same thing as the court actually saying this itself. They didn't.

But why would they need to spell it out? If a facility or service for female people is also used by some male people, then it is no longer a single sex facility or service. That's just a fact. Words don't change it.

Helleofabore · 30/09/2026 22:01

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2026 21:47

I find it totally shocking the way @Lacksietime and time again, in as many ways as possible, wants to prioritise men over women.

The misogyny on display here is unreal.

I think it has become very apparent that some people really do believe in some existential understanding that allows others to claim the impossible, that their life experience can somehow be described as something that it is impossible to be, but somehow that is an accurate description that must be treated as accurate and true.

When there is no way for that claim to be true.

There is a complete disconnect in logic in claims such as this, yet we see the claim over and over again. I suspect though that the more posters double down on this impossible and illogical claim, the more readers can see that there is no explanations or evidence forthcoming. And new people are still reading this thread.

murasaki · 30/09/2026 22:04

I still didn't get an answer re what Upton amd I have in common re our alleged shared womanhood. Presumably because the answer is absolutely the square root of fuck all as he's a man and she knows it.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 30/09/2026 22:17

murasaki · 30/09/2026 22:04

I still didn't get an answer re what Upton amd I have in common re our alleged shared womanhood. Presumably because the answer is absolutely the square root of fuck all as he's a man and she knows it.

The one I really want an answer to is if ones gender identity is so indescribable and personal that it cannot be tested for, and it canot be perceived or assumed by other people, how come at the same time it is assumed that women who are being treated by the Uptons of this world, or changing with the Roses, are absoutely of course going to experience Upton's hands on them, or Rose's eyes on them, as those of a woman and not a man?

What is the difference in what the woman experiences between the hands and the eyes of a Rose or an Upton, and those of an in every way physically identical man who does not claim to be a woman, that means she just instinctively knows this is another woman?

It is a great, mysterious and miraculous thing to be sure.

Well, either that, or a pile of steaming bollocks.

Lacksie · 30/09/2026 22:18

murasaki · 30/09/2026 21:52

Apart from RapidOnset, whose feelings are casually brushed aside for those of a more special man. I find what she's said to him cruel.

Is RapidOnset a man? I guess that makes more sense.

murasaki · 30/09/2026 22:21

Lacksie · 30/09/2026 22:18

Is RapidOnset a man? I guess that makes more sense.

Oh so now you can dismiss him via another means? His wife is also unhappy. Their feelings are valid and based in reality.

murasaki · 30/09/2026 22:24

Sorry @RapidOnsetGenderCritic , I don't mean to speak out of turn. But Lacksie's refusal to accept that your viewpoint is valid really infuriates me.

theilltemperedmonster · 30/09/2026 22:27

Lacksie · 30/09/2026 20:45

So the policy question.

whether or not we are going to agree on a particular theory about sex and gender , the practical challenge will remain- how do ordinary services and facilities operate fairly and sensibly in a society in which transgender people exist and need to go about their lives?

I do not think there is a single answer that applies to every situation. There are circumstances in which maintaining a service by birth sex may be justified. That is why I can understand the rationale of the Supreme Court judgment. What I do not accept is the enormous leap from that judgment to the proposition that every transgender person must now use facilities associated with their birth sex in every conceivable context.

That isn’t what the Court decided.

Sex-separated services exist for different reasons in different contexts: privacy, dignity, comfort, cultural or religious expectations, safety, therapeutic effectiveness, or simply longstanding social convention. A rape counselling group, hospital ward, communal changing room, public toilet and alcoholism support group are not interchangeable. The interests involved are different, and it makes little sense to pretend that the appropriate rule must therefore be identical in all of them.

There is another practical reality which is often strangely denied in these discussions: gender transition can profoundly alter somebody's appearance and the sex others perceive them to be. Of course not every trans person passes. But some plainly do. That isn’t an ideological assertion; it is observable reality. Remember the reallt grotesque reality programme There’s Something About Miriam In fhe early 2000s?

Because of that, a rigid birth-sex rule can sometimes undermine the very privacy, dignity and social expectations that sex separation is meant to protect.
A trans woman who has transitioned, lives entirely as a woman and is perceived by everybody around her as female may create considerably more surprise or disruption by walking into a men’s changing room than by quietly using the women’s. Similarly, a trans man who has developed a beard, male-pattern body hair, a deep voice and an otherwise conventionally male appearance may look extremely out of place in a women’s changing facility.

The Supreme Court itself explicitly recognised this practical problem. It observed that a trans woman who “presents fully as a woman” may feel that she would provoke more objection entering men’s facilities than women’s, and acknowledged that such trans women may in practice use female facilities without compromising other women’s privacy and dignity. The judgment also recognised the converse situation: transition may give a trans man such a masculine appearance or attributes that his presence in a particular women’s service could reasonably be considered inappropriate.

There was a case just the other day of a trans women who has been excluded from her substance misuse support group because of the new EHRC guidance. Desperate for support and frightened that she might relapse, she asked whether she could instead attend the men’s group. The answer there was also no: the service was deliberately organised around men discussing men’s experiences together, and they considered that her presence would be disruptive and uncomfortable for the rest of the group and undermine its purposes. So she is now without the advice and support she needs: how can that be right?

there are so many examples of this type of thing happening now that illustrate very clearly that telling a transgender person, “Use the service for your biological sex” does not necessarily produce a coherent outcome In practice.

The response is sometimes that there should simply be separate transgender facilities. Occasionally that may be possible and appropriate. But as a universal solution it isn’t realistic. There will often be nowhere near enough transgender people locally to sustain an entirely parallel network of toilets, changing rooms, shelters, hospital provision, swimming sessions, support groups and other services. It can also be intensely othering, and requiring somebody to enter a specially designated transgender facility may disclose private information about them every time they use an ordinary service.

Taken to its logical conclusion, blanket segregation can therefore mean that trans people are technically told they have somewhere they are permitted to go while in practice being unable to access large parts of ordinary social life.

That is why I think context and proportionality matter.

There will be circumstances in which exclusion may be reasonable and proportionate. A therapeutic group for female survivors of sexual violence, for example, may raise considerations very different from an ordinary public toilet. Communal accommodation, intimate personal care and some medical services may raise different questions again. Women’s privacy, dignity and safety are legitimate considerations and shouldn’t simply be dismissed.

I also understand that some women feel uncomfortable around a trans woman whom they perceive to be male. I have experienced that discomfort myself. At university I attended a lesbian group where the presence of somebody I perceived as male made me uncomfortable. I don’t think acknowledging that reaction makes somebody wicked or unreasonable. Feelings of discomfort are real, and in some settings they may be relevant to how a service should be organised. But if discomfort alone were enough to determine who may participate in public or social life, almost any minority could be excluded whenever somebody else objected to their presence. The relevant question has to be whether the discomfort reflects a genuine privacy, dignity, therapeutic or safety interest in that particular setting, and whether exclusion is a proportionate way of addressing it.

Most people navigate these situations through ordinary social behaviour. Most trans people don’t want to draw attention to themselves in a changing room or toilet any more than anybody else does. People who know that they are very visibly perceived as their birth sex will often make different choices from somebody who has lived for twenty years being universally perceived as the opposite sex. Some use neutral facilities where they are available. Most people, trans or otherwise, simply want to get changed, use the toilet, attend their support group or receive a service and leave again without anybody taking much notice of them.

Ultimately, I don’t think either extreme produces a workable answer.
“Gender identity always overrides sex, whatever the circumstances” ignores legitimate reasons why genuinely birth-sex sometimes matters.

But also every transgender person must now use birth-sex facilities everywhere” ignores the actual complexity of the Equality Act, the role of proportionality, the enormous variety of services involved and the practical reality of transition.

The more sensible approach, in my view, is context-specific. What is this particular service for? What privacy, dignity or safety interests are actually engaged? Would inclusion genuinely interfere with its purpose? What would exclusion mean in practice for the transgender person? Are there ways of accommodating everybody without defeating the purpose of the service?
Sometimes those considerations may justify exclusion. In many ordinary circumstances they may not.

That is the distinction I think has been badly lost since the Supreme Court judgment. A judgment establishing that facilities/ services can be restricted to birth sex where that is justified and proportionate has been converted into a social instruction to exclude trans people from everything possible!!!

To me this is beyond what i could ever imagine happening somewhere like the UK. Trans people still have to live in society. They have to go to work, swim, travel, go to hospital, recover from addiction, use toilets, change their clothes and seek support just like everybody else. A pluralistic society has to find practical ways of accommodating their dignity and participation alongside the privacy, dignity and safety of everybody else. That requires judgment and proportionality, not blanket rules in either direction

There's a lot to agree with in this post, but it's spoilt by the deployment of a massive straw man. The Supreme Court, English High Court, and EHRC are all agreed, that trans people should not be forced to use services intended for their own sex, and that failing to provide an appropriate (such as mixed sex or trans-specific) alternative could be illegal discrimination as to gender reassignment.

You also overlook that women (and men, lesbians and gay men) are entitled to have the choice of single sex provision, rather than such provision being abolished altogether. On Schedule 16, EHRC has already trimmed its advice to countenance both single-sex and 'trans-inclusive' (eg women plus transwomen) associations. But that choice really isn't feasible in contexts where sex really matters to safety, decency and fairness, such as prisons, workplace changing rooms, and sports.

Lacksie · 30/09/2026 22:28

murasaki · 30/09/2026 22:21

Oh so now you can dismiss him via another means? His wife is also unhappy. Their feelings are valid and based in reality.

I've no doubt she's unhappy- it's a hard thing to come to terms with- lots of parents (both mothers and fathers) describe it as an experience of grief. But we haven't heard from DW directly.

As an empirical pattern- Men are more likely to struggle with accepting their child's transition than women - especially male to female. Not always the case of course.

Fidgetbreak · 30/09/2026 22:30

Lacksie · 30/09/2026 20:45

So the policy question.

whether or not we are going to agree on a particular theory about sex and gender , the practical challenge will remain- how do ordinary services and facilities operate fairly and sensibly in a society in which transgender people exist and need to go about their lives?

I do not think there is a single answer that applies to every situation. There are circumstances in which maintaining a service by birth sex may be justified. That is why I can understand the rationale of the Supreme Court judgment. What I do not accept is the enormous leap from that judgment to the proposition that every transgender person must now use facilities associated with their birth sex in every conceivable context.

That isn’t what the Court decided.

Sex-separated services exist for different reasons in different contexts: privacy, dignity, comfort, cultural or religious expectations, safety, therapeutic effectiveness, or simply longstanding social convention. A rape counselling group, hospital ward, communal changing room, public toilet and alcoholism support group are not interchangeable. The interests involved are different, and it makes little sense to pretend that the appropriate rule must therefore be identical in all of them.

There is another practical reality which is often strangely denied in these discussions: gender transition can profoundly alter somebody's appearance and the sex others perceive them to be. Of course not every trans person passes. But some plainly do. That isn’t an ideological assertion; it is observable reality. Remember the reallt grotesque reality programme There’s Something About Miriam In fhe early 2000s?

Because of that, a rigid birth-sex rule can sometimes undermine the very privacy, dignity and social expectations that sex separation is meant to protect.
A trans woman who has transitioned, lives entirely as a woman and is perceived by everybody around her as female may create considerably more surprise or disruption by walking into a men’s changing room than by quietly using the women’s. Similarly, a trans man who has developed a beard, male-pattern body hair, a deep voice and an otherwise conventionally male appearance may look extremely out of place in a women’s changing facility.

The Supreme Court itself explicitly recognised this practical problem. It observed that a trans woman who “presents fully as a woman” may feel that she would provoke more objection entering men’s facilities than women’s, and acknowledged that such trans women may in practice use female facilities without compromising other women’s privacy and dignity. The judgment also recognised the converse situation: transition may give a trans man such a masculine appearance or attributes that his presence in a particular women’s service could reasonably be considered inappropriate.

There was a case just the other day of a trans women who has been excluded from her substance misuse support group because of the new EHRC guidance. Desperate for support and frightened that she might relapse, she asked whether she could instead attend the men’s group. The answer there was also no: the service was deliberately organised around men discussing men’s experiences together, and they considered that her presence would be disruptive and uncomfortable for the rest of the group and undermine its purposes. So she is now without the advice and support she needs: how can that be right?

there are so many examples of this type of thing happening now that illustrate very clearly that telling a transgender person, “Use the service for your biological sex” does not necessarily produce a coherent outcome In practice.

The response is sometimes that there should simply be separate transgender facilities. Occasionally that may be possible and appropriate. But as a universal solution it isn’t realistic. There will often be nowhere near enough transgender people locally to sustain an entirely parallel network of toilets, changing rooms, shelters, hospital provision, swimming sessions, support groups and other services. It can also be intensely othering, and requiring somebody to enter a specially designated transgender facility may disclose private information about them every time they use an ordinary service.

Taken to its logical conclusion, blanket segregation can therefore mean that trans people are technically told they have somewhere they are permitted to go while in practice being unable to access large parts of ordinary social life.

That is why I think context and proportionality matter.

There will be circumstances in which exclusion may be reasonable and proportionate. A therapeutic group for female survivors of sexual violence, for example, may raise considerations very different from an ordinary public toilet. Communal accommodation, intimate personal care and some medical services may raise different questions again. Women’s privacy, dignity and safety are legitimate considerations and shouldn’t simply be dismissed.

I also understand that some women feel uncomfortable around a trans woman whom they perceive to be male. I have experienced that discomfort myself. At university I attended a lesbian group where the presence of somebody I perceived as male made me uncomfortable. I don’t think acknowledging that reaction makes somebody wicked or unreasonable. Feelings of discomfort are real, and in some settings they may be relevant to how a service should be organised. But if discomfort alone were enough to determine who may participate in public or social life, almost any minority could be excluded whenever somebody else objected to their presence. The relevant question has to be whether the discomfort reflects a genuine privacy, dignity, therapeutic or safety interest in that particular setting, and whether exclusion is a proportionate way of addressing it.

Most people navigate these situations through ordinary social behaviour. Most trans people don’t want to draw attention to themselves in a changing room or toilet any more than anybody else does. People who know that they are very visibly perceived as their birth sex will often make different choices from somebody who has lived for twenty years being universally perceived as the opposite sex. Some use neutral facilities where they are available. Most people, trans or otherwise, simply want to get changed, use the toilet, attend their support group or receive a service and leave again without anybody taking much notice of them.

Ultimately, I don’t think either extreme produces a workable answer.
“Gender identity always overrides sex, whatever the circumstances” ignores legitimate reasons why genuinely birth-sex sometimes matters.

But also every transgender person must now use birth-sex facilities everywhere” ignores the actual complexity of the Equality Act, the role of proportionality, the enormous variety of services involved and the practical reality of transition.

The more sensible approach, in my view, is context-specific. What is this particular service for? What privacy, dignity or safety interests are actually engaged? Would inclusion genuinely interfere with its purpose? What would exclusion mean in practice for the transgender person? Are there ways of accommodating everybody without defeating the purpose of the service?
Sometimes those considerations may justify exclusion. In many ordinary circumstances they may not.

That is the distinction I think has been badly lost since the Supreme Court judgment. A judgment establishing that facilities/ services can be restricted to birth sex where that is justified and proportionate has been converted into a social instruction to exclude trans people from everything possible!!!

To me this is beyond what i could ever imagine happening somewhere like the UK. Trans people still have to live in society. They have to go to work, swim, travel, go to hospital, recover from addiction, use toilets, change their clothes and seek support just like everybody else. A pluralistic society has to find practical ways of accommodating their dignity and participation alongside the privacy, dignity and safety of everybody else. That requires judgment and proportionality, not blanket rules in either direction

I've been following this thread with interest and think what you have written here has a lot of great points that deserve attention. I'm glad you came back and posted it.

Sadly, what you haven't done is identify any examples of what services you think should be based on single sex, mixed sex, gender identity, or something else. Nor explained the reasons for each contextual choice.

Why are you spending so much energy telling other people that they are wrong and yet are unable, yourself, to describe in any practical detail what would be a better way of doing things. Unable to answer numerous straight forward questions about definitions.

What is it that you are championing so strongly for?

I think you need to think about this a bit more.

murasaki · 30/09/2026 22:30

I'd get banned if I said what I think about that last paragraph.

How come you seem to know which are men and which are women when it comes to this 'empirical' study?

Lacksie · 30/09/2026 22:31

theilltemperedmonster · 30/09/2026 22:27

There's a lot to agree with in this post, but it's spoilt by the deployment of a massive straw man. The Supreme Court, English High Court, and EHRC are all agreed, that trans people should not be forced to use services intended for their own sex, and that failing to provide an appropriate (such as mixed sex or trans-specific) alternative could be illegal discrimination as to gender reassignment.

You also overlook that women (and men, lesbians and gay men) are entitled to have the choice of single sex provision, rather than such provision being abolished altogether. On Schedule 16, EHRC has already trimmed its advice to countenance both single-sex and 'trans-inclusive' (eg women plus transwomen) associations. But that choice really isn't feasible in contexts where sex really matters to safety, decency and fairness, such as prisons, workplace changing rooms, and sports.

The Supreme Court, English High Court, and EHRC are all agreed, that trans people should not be forced to use services intended for their own sex, and that failing to provide an appropriate (such as mixed sex or trans-specific) alternative could be illegal discrimination as to gender reassignment

yes they do say that- but I also address the problems with that in my post.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 30/09/2026 22:33

MyAmpleSheep · 30/09/2026 21:23

L completely unable to answer any of the difficult questions we’ve been waiting for patiently, then a flounce out at the end as we’re all too demanding.

I still think she’ll get there in the end though. The seeds of doubt are sown.

I respect your optimism.

I'm afraid I am more cynical. I am pretty sure this particular merry-go-round has merrily gone round with me on it a few times before, and probably plenty of times I wasn't on as well.

It's a familar ride. Round and round it goes, but always ends up right back at the start again.

Rollingpinofdoom · 30/09/2026 22:36

Lacksie · 30/09/2026 22:31

The Supreme Court, English High Court, and EHRC are all agreed, that trans people should not be forced to use services intended for their own sex, and that failing to provide an appropriate (such as mixed sex or trans-specific) alternative could be illegal discrimination as to gender reassignment

yes they do say that- but I also address the problems with that in my post.

But those problems are up to transpeople to sort out. If stonewall et al had spent all this time campaigning for third spaces, transpeople would be sorted. Instead they spent all their time, energy and money trying to bully people. Idiots.

MyAmpleSheep · 30/09/2026 22:39

Is there word for a returning flouncer?

@Lacksie do you want to try answering the difficult questions that have been put to you? Or is that no longer on the cards?

murasaki · 30/09/2026 22:42

MyAmpleSheep · 30/09/2026 22:39

Is there word for a returning flouncer?

@Lacksie do you want to try answering the difficult questions that have been put to you? Or is that no longer on the cards?

It was never on the cards. We know the routine. Enter seeming semi reasonable, , gradually shift, proselytise for a bit, leave, return wearing new hat.

Plus ca change.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 30/09/2026 22:44

Still chortling at being called Solipsitic by someone who believes a trans person's inner sense of self must define reality for everyone else 😂

Some Solipsists are more equal than others it seems!

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