Another BBC mess: "Do you think it’s right to tell transgender people which toilet to use?" Let's ask some men...

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https://genderblog.net/bbc-gender-apology-row/

From Nick Wallis' Genderblog:

On 6 August 2026, BBC Three Counties local radio station, which covers Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire and Buckinghamshire, ran a half hour current affairs chat on the Jonathan Vernon-Smith Show. The midday item was posed as a question: “Do you think it’s right to tell transgender people which toilet to use?”

The first contributor put on air to talk about that question were Robin Moira White, a male barrister who claims to be a woman. Robin advocates for men to be able to use women’s toilets and does so himself. The next guest was Nora Padilla, a full-time policy officer at the campaign group TransActual, which also advocates for men to be able to use women’s toilets. Then we heard from “Michelle” from Watford. Like Robin, Michelle is a man who claims to be a woman and – surprise surprise – advocates for male use of female facilities....
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And the story goes on. And gets more and more damning for the BBC. The useless, ridiculously activist, taxpayer-supported BBC... Still.

'Blending in' means 'stealthing'. At very best, what you are proposing, is by nature mendacious deception.

Fucking hell. Imagine genuinely believing that women will always happily challenge men when we are angry at them or threatened by them, and therefore lack of direct challenge can be taken as consent.

Imagine never having experienced that horrible feeling of powerlessness in the pit of your stomach as you make a your face into a greasy half-smile at the man who "just wants to talk", "just wants a hug", "just making a joke, God you women have no sense of humour", "just wants to suggest what you really meant to say was..." because you know if you challenge him directly he'll turn it on you for being irrational, oversensitive, a bitch, stuck up, misunderstanding his poor innocent genuine friendliness... and he'll go on at you even longer just to make his point.

You have no idea how women have to live in this world.

I know, right? It's almost funny.

What woman doesn't understand viscerally and immediately exactly why other women have not challenged a bloke appearing in a confined space with them unexpectedly?

No, the 'problem' is not solved. Most sexual assaults take place in unisex toilets and changing rooms. Women need sex segregated spaces when they are partially undressed. It's not rocket science to know or provide that - we always used to up till about 5 minutes ago. Back track, sharpish, from this nonsense.

I don’t think this I know it does make a difference. If it didn’t I surely would expect to be misgendered in every interaction?

I really don't think that is what you meant when you made the original post. If it was, that post was spectacularly poorly written, not to mention that your follow up post claiming that even if genuine Gender Critical Feminists would welcome debate there were some fake GC people who would not be happy to share with a TRA makes no sense at all if you were in fact always talking about the programme, panel or event simply not being able to happen at all.

There was a man who visited here for years who was incredibly insistent about how he was totally unclockable and womanly due to puberty blockers and years of hormones.

Then it transpired he was posting elsewhere and there were photos of him, I kid you not, wearing full suit of armour and whacking things with swords. Also pics of him next to women, showing a large, averagely well built bloke with long hair and moobs that were unexceptional for a man carrying a little bit of body fat.

There are a very, very few men who pass as women. It's really a handful. And frankly, it seems unfair to tell any men there is a chance they'll pass, because it is so extremely unlikely that they will.

Be yourself. Be a man who likes to wear dresses and long hair. And stay the fuck out of women's spaces. Then we're all cool.

Surely a range of opinions should be included, by a state broadcaster funded by a licence fee? So if the BBC had forgotten that, it can only be a good thing that they have been reminded?
Having said that, they could do with having a bit of a think about editorial policy and how the factual validity of some of the arguments is framed. So currently, there does still seem to be a slant towards 'but how does this make a transwoman feel?' over 'what effect does this have on women's rights at population level?' That colours the 'debate', because as we see constantly on threads, there is a lot of muddle about the basics (there being 2 sexes, where males at population level are bigger, stronger, faster and commit more sexual offences and offences of violence, as a starting point) which makes balanced discussion nigh-on impossible.

The early start, hormones and surgery TW I know look like androgenous men. The sex markers (cultural and physical) are blurred but not gone.

Humans simple cannot fully cross the sex barrier, nor even become genuinely androgenous.

You probably are, you just don't know because people won't bother saying anything most of the time.

As a parallel, I wouldn't tell a shop assistant that they have bad breath because that's just mean, but I'd still notice it.

On the contrary - there's a long and dishonourable history of transactivists routinely sabotaging attempts at democratic debate - media appearances, university panels, radio and TV by refusing to debate / discuss with women.

Remember Stonewall's #nodebate? Way back in 2015 we were being told that trans rights to remove the rights of others weren't up for debate - hence the mess so many organisations are in. A position repeated by numerous individuals and groups with limited arguments about why trans tops everything in society.

With respect, you don't seem to be well acquainted with many of the facts and history of what you're commenting on?

Remember this young woman who beclowned herself by trying to sabotage an Oxford Uni debate

https://www.oxfordstudent.com/2023/05/30/activist-glued-to-the-floor-derails-kathleen-stock-talk/

Lots of people will use incorrect pronouns even though they can see the person is the opposite sex to the pronoun. Perhaps, given what you have learnt on this thread, you can think of some reasons why they might do this?

The way you move, your hands etc are all tells. And the male entitlement. We see it. It's just that sometime we opt for self preservation.

That is clearly not what is being said.

Well how would they know if I just look like an androgynous man?

Seriously?

We know a pantomine horse is not a real horse, but we can also tell it's an attempting to look like a horse.

A man pretending to be a woman.

You're a man Ty not a woman

the fact you know this, know using women's spaces makes them uncomfortable but you don't care and keep doing it, is about the most male coded behaviour there is and we are beyond irritated with selfish men like you barging into women's spaces

go in the fucking men's where you belong

I fear that we have reached groundhog day on this thread. I'll post the JL Partners polling for Sex Matters before I leave:

A majority of people of all ages and political shades prefer single-sex toilets
This preference is seen among all groups, overwhelmingly – including Labour and Green voters and 18–24 year-olds.

and

Even among the youngest adults and Green voters, a majority agree that transgender people should not simply be allowed to use whichever facilities they prefer.

In fact, and surprisingly IMO, about a third of respondents said that trans-identified people should use the facilities for their sex and shouldn't have an alternative provided. This is a view that I think is less generous than many of us 'bigoted, transphobic' TERFs hold!

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/new-poll-shows-most-people-prefer-single-sex-toilets-and-changing-rooms/

No mate.

You have just shown that you don’t understand female people’s reactions to male people.

And you have continued to do this over and over on this thread.

Many female people will simply not let on to a male person that they have correctly identified their sex category. This is due to fear of attack, of emotional reprisal or of any negative ramification of doing so. Some female people will even continue to lie to keep a male person happy when a male person asks them the truth. This is out of a need to keep male people happy for quite a few different reasons.

Never mistake a lack of acknowledgement from a female person in a face to face situation, or even not in person when it is necessary, as being an indicator of your ability to ‘pass’ or to deceive people that you are a female person in any way.

Oh yes.

And then after Covid when people obviously pointed out how his hairline gave him away, he started to wear hats.

Apparently though, he had his puberty blocked and was very clear that no one ever mistook him for a man. When his images, which sometimes can be difficult to tell, were very clearly of a man.

An androgynous man is an androgynous man.

At least you are now being honest.

Also misgendered is not right. Correctly sexed is accurate.

Youre the one who said a PP husband hated to “look like a woman” to blend in. What do you mean by that? Are you suggesting there is a particular way women should look? Are you inferring thst if a male takes enough artificial hormones he will look like a woman? In what way? What would hormones change in a male to make him look like a woman? Which woman would he look like? Margaret Thatcher? Katie Price? Angela Lansbury? Madonna?

Or people could be being polite? Like when they don’t point out someone is really ugly or their dress doesn’t suit them. You honestly have no idea about female socialisation do you? You do seem to know a lot about male entitlement though. You’ve got that down pat.