Another BBC mess: "Do you think it’s right to tell transgender people which toilet to use?" Let's ask some men...

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https://genderblog.net/bbc-gender-apology-row/

From Nick Wallis' Genderblog:

On 6 August 2026, BBC Three Counties local radio station, which covers Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire and Buckinghamshire, ran a half hour current affairs chat on the Jonathan Vernon-Smith Show. The midday item was posed as a question: “Do you think it’s right to tell transgender people which toilet to use?”

The first contributor put on air to talk about that question were Robin Moira White, a male barrister who claims to be a woman. Robin advocates for men to be able to use women’s toilets and does so himself. The next guest was Nora Padilla, a full-time policy officer at the campaign group TransActual, which also advocates for men to be able to use women’s toilets. Then we heard from “Michelle” from Watford. Like Robin, Michelle is a man who claims to be a woman and – surprise surprise – advocates for male use of female facilities....
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And the story goes on. And gets more and more damning for the BBC. The useless, ridiculously activist, taxpayer-supported BBC... Still.

It's not - that's not the point I was making. The point I was making is that Nick has now made it difficult for anything but a range of opinions to be included. So if there is a (sensible) GC person ready to talk but no opposing side is willing - then there will be no discussion period. Whereas previously (recently at least) we've benefited from the platforming of GC views.

And yet…. You cannot see the issue with dismissing the lack of female people’s consent in you being there.

There is a term for the behaviour of male people who ignore female people’s individual or collective consent.

Just because you are not challenged doesn’t mean that female people haven’t correctly understood your correct sex category. If you don’t understand female behaviour in the face of being in a situation that they find harmful to them, don’t assume you are not harming female people with your presence.

If you need us to continue to explain consent, safeguarding, predatory male behaviour and the harms that male people accessing a female single sex provision when that male is over about 8 years old, just ask.

Don't be daft. There will be plenty of BBC presenters willing to put the anti-women pov.

Why? Do you think that no one will agree to speak to defend male people accessing female single sex provisions?

Since when?

I reckon they can simply get one of their own staff on to balance. Or the presenters themselves will take up that argument.

I doubt there will be a time when there will be no activists who will agree to be interviewed. Peter tatchell is always up to be interviewed after all.

The point I was making is that Nick has now made it difficult for anything but a range of opinions to be included

Your efforts to interpret this as a bad thing, or unlikely to happen, are really quite risible.

Or the presenters themselves will take up that argument.

Which is exactly what should happen in an interview by a professional journalist, whatever their personal politics and beliefs. The BBC could have saved us all a lot of time, money, grief and trauma if they had acted professionally in their interviews and reports from the start.

So how should a woman look? Please do be specific. Are you trying to impose outdated beauty standards on women? How sexist!!!

I'm sure you don't, because like most men, however they identify, you don't really see women as equal to you. That old male entitlement really doesn't come out in the wash.

But surely the best way to not make anyone worry would be use the sex appropriate facilities no? Any thoughts on a benefit for women of making all their spaces mixed sex yet?

Indeed.

considering how little the BBC end up actioning these assurances of upholding impartiality policies etc anyway, I predict that there will be no noticeable change in any case.

Why did you think I’m referring to beauty standards at all? It’s a bit weird to assume that. I was talking about hormone driven differences in appearance

I don’t believe that Ty has quite understood how fucking sexist that approach that Ty is advocating is. But also the parallels associated with predatory and abusive male behaviour of dismissing and ignoring female lack or withdrawal of consent.

’I am not the person to be concerned about’, ‘I am completely harmless’, ‘I am one of the good ones, trust me’, ‘just blend in and no one will notice’…. We have heard it all before.

An admirable issue to campaign on. It's just a pity that the GLP's pitiful success rate means that this will be almost certainly yet another instance of them raising funds from people who really can't afford to give much without actually winning a case.

I would be uncomfortable seeing Ty in the women's toilets as I know he merrily crosses boundaries, and I don't know how many, where and when.

I very much doubt he hasn't been clocked already, and people haven't just left.

Assuming he's in the UK, he could try obeying the law.

Extreme body modifications don’t make you a female person. Those modifications don’t mean you will not be correctly identified as a male person by female people.

If anyone had told you any differently, they have not told you the truth.

Breasts don’t make a male person female. Moobs are very common.

What else? Fat redistribution? That doesn’t disguise a male person’s sex category. Nor does ‘soft skin’.

there are plenty of male people who have been reported as having had their puberty blocked and been on estrogen. They still are clearly identifiable as being male people. Even with facial surgery.

I think some people confuse fear and politeness with passing.

So you’re saying hormone therapy had no effect at all?

Pray tell what are these hormone driven differences in appearance?

IME it makes men look like trans-identified males. That's the extent of it, I'm afraid.

Do you not realise that knowing there are men out there who have weird ideas about the difference between men and women being in our minds rather than our bodies, who want to be in our spaces and even perhaps our most intimate medical care, who know they are not supposed to be there but nevertheless are happy to sneak in by stealth, is itself a source of fear, worry and helpless anger?

For women, who spend so much of our lives dealing with male entitlement to our bodies, our labour, our support and our attention, "if she doesn't know it doesn't count" is not an ok stance for a man to take.

What does a ‘TIM’ look like?

Well. Let’s see…

They became male people who took chemicals that developed breasts, redistributed some fat. Isn’t that the aim?

If you and others genuinely think this makes a male person ‘female’ in any way. You and they are wrong and have an immensely sexist view of female people.

If you also think that disguises male body cues, you are also mistaken and perhaps needed to do some very thorough research outside a small group of affirming people.

Not one bit of investment in extreme body modification gives any male person the reward of access to female single sex provisions. Those provisions were never based on someone’s appearance when they are male people over the age of about 8 years old.

oh. Gail.

I look forward to the extensive list.

A man, of course.