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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

“Sex is more complicated than you think”

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InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 10/08/2026 14:38

Minor rant, not sure if it’s the right place, but oh my days, the perpetual gotchas of the SRY and embryos starting off female and the whataboutery of intersex (never DSD)
If it wasn’t unladylike I’d hit something

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WallaceinAnderland · 10/08/2026 20:15

SodThisHeadache · 10/08/2026 17:52

Kids, especially autistic kids, love a flag - just saying.

And they have been given their own gender too

  • Autigender: A gender identity that is deeply influenced by being autistic
AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 10/08/2026 20:22

But does it have a flag?

Lins77 · 10/08/2026 20:23

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 10/08/2026 20:22

But does it have a flag?

Everything has a flag.

DramaAndBullshit · 10/08/2026 20:25

WallaceinAnderland · 10/08/2026 20:15

And they have been given their own gender too

  • Autigender: A gender identity that is deeply influenced by being autistic

Well, maybe this is a good thing as it will reduce the number of trans autistic kids?

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 10/08/2026 20:25

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 10/08/2026 20:22

But does it have a flag?

So many red flags

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 10/08/2026 20:27

DramaAndBullshit · 10/08/2026 20:25

Well, maybe this is a good thing as it will reduce the number of trans autistic kids?

Yes: if they can be trans without having to take puberty blockers or hormones, far less have surgery, that's a vast plus.

I assume autigender is "under the trans umbrella".

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 10/08/2026 22:30

Toseland · 10/08/2026 17:59

I keep being told that "we all start out as female in the womb" so I did a little research today, only to find that line came from... Jurassic Park!

Following in the footsteps of Aristotle and the other ancient Greeks, who thought Man was the correct and perfect form of human development and Woman was what you got if the fetus failed to develop properly, it was thought until very recently that a fetus became male if the SRY gene fired up the male pathway and female just sort of happened if there was no SRY to divert development to the male pathway.

It's now known (from a discovery considerably newer than Jurassic Park) that both developmental pathways have a trigger, and differentiating into female is an active rather than a passive process.

It was also thought that the embryo was in the blank slate/default female state for the first 6 weeks, with no difference (apart from not-yet-active genes) between male and female embryos until visible formation of the cells that would form the reproductive system. Again, wrong - we now know that different developmental signals start to be sent - and acted on - within a few hours of fertilisation.

WizardCat · 10/08/2026 23:37

Caelgender: This gender identity shares the qualities or aesthetics of outer space.

I found myself drawn to a t shirt with a picture of a rocket on it a few months ago. It wasn't my usual style so I wasn't sure why. I guess now I know.

Catiette · 11/08/2026 00:13

WizardCat · 10/08/2026 23:37

Caelgender: This gender identity shares the qualities or aesthetics of outer space.

I found myself drawn to a t shirt with a picture of a rocket on it a few months ago. It wasn't my usual style so I wasn't sure why. I guess now I know.

This gender identity shares the qualities or aesthetics of outer space.

A vacuum of endlessly cycling detritus which poses little risk but sadly obscures clarity (and does, regrettably, need to be monitored)? Black holes, consuming vast amounts of energy with little to no return?

Hm.

At risk of misgendering, caelgender does seem to fit some of the posts made by fly-by (meteor style? they do tend to crash and burn...) visitors here...

Dovesono · 11/08/2026 01:10

backformoreofthesame · 10/08/2026 16:47

Your experience is welcome but it’s always useful to check cultural background and norms

DSD is the common terminology in the UK , and the choice of the UK DSD community

and in the UK your condition is considered a condition of a female - you are considered female just with some chromatic abnormalities that affect some aspects of your bodies functionality

Quite a few people in the UK who have a DSD do use the term intersex.

Also the PP only has one body.

Apollo441 · 11/08/2026 02:25

Dovesono · 11/08/2026 01:10

Quite a few people in the UK who have a DSD do use the term intersex.

Also the PP only has one body.

I've yet to meet any. Only ever heard intersex used by trans activists to serve their agenda.

MrPrettyDamnCosmic · 11/08/2026 06:37

SirChenjins · 10/08/2026 17:45

I often have fun with tge open questions @WallaceinAnderland 😂 The ones that ask me for my gender and tgen only offer male and female really wind me up though - no organisation should be that ignorant in 2026

I have just been renewing my French residency online & was offered the choice of homme ou femme for my sex. No hint of NB or Prefer Not To Say just unambiguously male or female.

SirChenjins · 11/08/2026 08:24

MrPrettyDamnCosmic · 11/08/2026 06:37

I have just been renewing my French residency online & was offered the choice of homme ou femme for my sex. No hint of NB or Prefer Not To Say just unambiguously male or female.

Which is how it should be for sex - because there are literally only 2 options. Male or female.

Gender? Meh - knock yourself out with whatever reductive nonsense you choose for yourself. A free text box will allow you to be as creative as you like.

WallaceinAnderland · 11/08/2026 11:47

I'm amazed this made the list

Woman: An adult human female

booksnbaking · 11/08/2026 13:14

SidewaysOtter · 10/08/2026 15:52

That was my first thought. Or you have particularly, erm, exotic tastes, which might explain the avocado, Ballad of Barry and Freda-style.

In case anyone else needed to refresh their memory… @SidewaysOtter, chapeau!

BBC Two - Victoria Wood: The Secret List - Ballad of Barry & Freda (Let's Do It) Lyrics

Lyrics of one of Victoria Wood's most loved songs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/29LgJGLNJtkmlhY2D0HXCF3/ballad-of-barry-freda-lets-do-it-lyrics

ElenOfTheWays · 11/08/2026 15:23

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 10/08/2026 20:25

So many red flags

And all of them red. 🚩

Grammarnut · Yesterday 14:16

This batshittery is everywhere and when you suggest that sex is binary and immutable you get a shed load of abuse and the suggestion you read something by 'Julia' Serano on ROGD - which he could not disprove btw.
'Intersex' is also a favourite. I am tired of being told this is the preferred term used by 'intersex' people - that no such people exist and that we are talking about sex-linked DSDs is called bigotry.
The SRY gene also gets trotted out with the trope that all embryos start off female (this was thought to be the case in the 80s and I can't remember why, since sex is decided at conception - where else could it be decided?). Try telling the poster that the SRY gene is a lightswitch on the Y chromosome and you are called a retard who is relying on grade 8 biology - so at least one can guess the origin of the nutjob railing at you. It's quicker to block them than argue because arguing is pointless.
Edited for some punctuation.

PriOn1 · Yesterday 15:35

Apollo441 · 11/08/2026 02:25

I've yet to meet any. Only ever heard intersex used by trans activists to serve their agenda.

Some male transactivists are now claiming to be intersex because it’s not as cool to be trans as it used to be.

One of them even took the place of someone who really had a DSD on a TV program about it.

Some men will tell any lie if it gets them what they want.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · Yesterday 15:45

That is even more than usually disgusting behaviour in one of these entitled gitwits.

I suppose it could be worse. They could "identify" as amputees and demand to be allowed to compete in the Paralympics in spite of still having all four limbs.

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · Yesterday 16:06

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · Yesterday 15:45

That is even more than usually disgusting behaviour in one of these entitled gitwits.

I suppose it could be worse. They could "identify" as amputees and demand to be allowed to compete in the Paralympics in spite of still having all four limbs.

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Enhanced Paralympics?

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BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · Yesterday 16:22

the trope that all embryos start off female (this was thought to be the case in the 80s and I can't remember why, since sex is decided at conception - where else could it be decided?)

Two reasons.

Aristotlian sexism. Early embryos are undifferentiated. This means the male ones don't have penises and testes. It also means the female ones don't have ovaries and wombs, but that's not relevant because any human without a penis is not a man. Anyone who isn't a man (or not enough of a man) is a woman. Because male is the perfect human and 'women' is everyone else.

And the slightly more scientific reason that the SRY gene was known to be an active trigger for the development of the Wolffian duct, and therefore male sexual structures. It was thought (possibly because of Aristotlian sexism) that there was no similar trigger for Mullerian development and it just happened by default in the absence of an SRY trigger.

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · Yesterday 16:46

Embryology blows my mind.

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