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Today I discovered that Hinge can delete your account if as a straight male you complain about males appearing in your dating queue…

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 10/08/2026 01:05

I only discovered this after having made two reports, and it’s Sunday, so I suppose I’ll find out tomorrow if they are going to follow through.

  • [This paragraph has been removed at the OP's request]

I'm sure someone will be along in a minute and ask why it has to be a thing in a relationship at all but given the case I’m following through it sort of has to be out there!

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Lexibletheflexible · 11/08/2026 11:50

swimsong · 11/08/2026 11:33

Is it what the membership is most happy with though? That's your assumption with no foundation. It makes them more money and avoids vexatious litigation.

If it makes them more money, that shows that more people are happy to pay for a site where trans women are included. If it lost them money, they'd do something to make sure either trans people were unwelcome or clearly labelled.

BackToLurk · 11/08/2026 11:51

JustEatThePizza · 11/08/2026 11:40

Users of dating sites are not happy with what is forced on them.

A few years ago (perhaps with BLM) Grindr removed a popular feature that allowed men to filter out on race. The change was not popular.

You're living in you own fantasy world pretending that everyone who uses these apps aligns with the current California political leanings.

Maybe the PP thinks that all tech companies are just ‘giving the user what they want’. That they embody no ideology. Bless.

JustEatThePizza · 11/08/2026 11:51

Lexibletheflexible · 11/08/2026 11:46

I think they are.

Well you are wrong.

It's a very common occurrence for software users to be unhappy at changes imposed on them by the software companies.

I've even given you an example of a change made to Grindr that users weren't happy with.

Lexibletheflexible · 11/08/2026 11:52

Datun · 11/08/2026 11:23

I think it does disadvantage the OP. He's not going on a dating website to be confronted by a 6 foot man who is about to be rejected as a sexual partner.

Any man, more than a woman, who pretends he's not a man is a potential threat.

You dont confront anyone who scrolls by you. Most apps require both to swipe right for personal messaging to be an option. So OP would have to swipe right on a trans woman for them to even have a chance to abuse him for later rejecting them.

Lexibletheflexible · 11/08/2026 11:53

JustEatThePizza · 11/08/2026 11:51

Well you are wrong.

It's a very common occurrence for software users to be unhappy at changes imposed on them by the software companies.

I've even given you an example of a change made to Grindr that users weren't happy with.

How do you know users were unhappy? Is that because you googled and saw that people had reported discontent? Because i couldn't find any giggle users defending the owner. It was mostly other groups of people like a conservative family group. Whatever that is.

MyAmpleSheep · 11/08/2026 11:54

Lexibletheflexible · 11/08/2026 11:49

Whether or not straight women see trans women/TIMs will depend on whether the trans woman/TIM says they are a man or a woman. Apparently a woman who seeks men in this thread said she sees trans women in her male search so at least some trans women say they are men/male.

This might all be avoided if there was clear filtering along the lines of I do/don’t want to see profiles of trans-identifying men (or women).

You're going to say people will lie. Some will, but people lie about their age, weight and other filterable attributes too, and we don’t say that makes the filter mechanism invalid or unworthwhile.

A trans identifying person who lies about their status is being reprehensible dishonest and they’re going to have to make it known eventually. For the honest dater there’s no benefit whatsoever to being matched with someone who has a preference not to match with you, and it’s in your interest to give them the opportunity to filter you out.

JustEatThePizza · 11/08/2026 11:56

Lexibletheflexible · 11/08/2026 11:53

How do you know users were unhappy? Is that because you googled and saw that people had reported discontent? Because i couldn't find any giggle users defending the owner. It was mostly other groups of people like a conservative family group. Whatever that is.

People expressing unhappiness over changes is a typical sign that people are unhappy.

Lexibletheflexible · 11/08/2026 11:58

Princessblackberry · 11/08/2026 10:30

Haven't read the full thread yet but this is just basic dating app issue you'll find everywhere. You're always gonna be filtering and finding people based on how they describe themselves. Every woman who's ever used a dating app can tell you men constantly don't disclosed that they're divorced, or have kids, are using a very old photo etc, the entire point is wading through many people who don't appeal for you or tick your boxes. Reporting on dating apps should be for those being abusive, sending inappropriate messages etc otherwise everyone would be constantly reporting everyone for just not being their type so I do get why they ban it you keep reporting profiles for something the app has told you isn't a reportable offense, just as MN will ban people for constant reporting for things not against talking guidelines.

This is the crux of it. But if you are a man who just wants to spam "like" every woman between 25 and 50 within 5 miles of you, then it is annoying to actually go through profiles and see what the individual women are actually like before you swipe right.

If you are really worried about interacting with some of the people who might show up in your " available woman" search, then you're going to want them out of the way so you can get on with your mass swiping of all the ladies.

Lexibletheflexible · 11/08/2026 11:59

JustEatThePizza · 11/08/2026 11:56

People expressing unhappiness over changes is a typical sign that people are unhappy.

What people?

Lexibletheflexible · 11/08/2026 12:02

MyAmpleSheep · 11/08/2026 11:54

This might all be avoided if there was clear filtering along the lines of I do/don’t want to see profiles of trans-identifying men (or women).

You're going to say people will lie. Some will, but people lie about their age, weight and other filterable attributes too, and we don’t say that makes the filter mechanism invalid or unworthwhile.

A trans identifying person who lies about their status is being reprehensible dishonest and they’re going to have to make it known eventually. For the honest dater there’s no benefit whatsoever to being matched with someone who has a preference not to match with you, and it’s in your interest to give them the opportunity to filter you out.

I agree with everything you're saying, especially about compatibility. But that's not how the apps operate. Apparently, the apps which are more likely to operate in that way and have strict rules about it are the swinging apps like fabswingers.

MyAmpleSheep · 11/08/2026 12:04

Lexibletheflexible · 11/08/2026 12:02

I agree with everything you're saying, especially about compatibility. But that's not how the apps operate. Apparently, the apps which are more likely to operate in that way and have strict rules about it are the swinging apps like fabswingers.

Given that we agree it doesn’t make sense from a logical incentive point of view, why do you think Hinge doesnt let you filter by trans status?

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 11/08/2026 12:08

Lexibletheflexible · 11/08/2026 11:52

You dont confront anyone who scrolls by you. Most apps require both to swipe right for personal messaging to be an option. So OP would have to swipe right on a trans woman for them to even have a chance to abuse him for later rejecting them.

Hinge doesn't. I do love pointing out holes in your knowledge. Fish in a barrel sort of thing.

Going out for this date in 20m, will be sure to ask her if she has a vagina like you told me I should.

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swimsong · 11/08/2026 12:11

MyAmpleSheep · 10/08/2026 23:11

They’re going to have to be honest before they have sex, or they’re going to prison.

Is the idea to delay the reveal until the very last moment and hope the straight guy (probably with poor eyesight) is too far engaged to pay too much attention?

Ok, just the tip… and by the way I’m a man who used to be called Brian with a surgically created cavity, hope that’s ok

Why not be up-front from the start? The longer you wait the harder it gets to be honest.

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I don't think an actual encounter is necessarily the primary purpose of creating a profile. Reddit is full of Do-I-Pass? posts. They invariably get flooded with responses from other transwomen saying "Yes you do girl!"

Going on a date app is the next step along from that. Hopefully their pic filters will provide them with the affirmation that they crave.

BackToLurk · 11/08/2026 12:13

MyAmpleSheep · 11/08/2026 12:04

Given that we agree it doesn’t make sense from a logical incentive point of view, why do you think Hinge doesnt let you filter by trans status?

I believe their position is “because people aren’t that bothered about the sex of the people they date”, but I’m sure they’ll clarify.

Datun · 11/08/2026 12:14

Lexibletheflexible · 11/08/2026 11:52

You dont confront anyone who scrolls by you. Most apps require both to swipe right for personal messaging to be an option. So OP would have to swipe right on a trans woman for them to even have a chance to abuse him for later rejecting them.

Correct. Oh powerful universe, how can a man make a picture of him look like a woman

MyAmpleSheep · 11/08/2026 12:17

BackToLurk · 11/08/2026 12:13

I believe their position is “because people aren’t that bothered about the sex of the people they date”, but I’m sure they’ll clarify.

That might be what they say, but I don’t think you (or they) really believe that “people aren’t that bothered about the sex of the people they date”. I’m certain that’s not true.

What do you think is the real reason they don’t allow filtering by trans status?

Datun · 11/08/2026 12:19

For the honest dater there’s no benefit whatsoever to being matched with someone who has a preference not to match with you, and it’s in your interest to give them the opportunity to filter you out.

Exactly.

Maybe these apps should say not really for dating, just for posturing.

Then you can have apps that say actually for dating. Where we expect our users to be honest about their sex, and if we find out you're not, your profile will be deleted.

I bet that will be absolutely fine. Oh wait...

Datun · 11/08/2026 12:21

MyAmpleSheep · 11/08/2026 12:17

That might be what they say, but I don’t think you (or they) really believe that “people aren’t that bothered about the sex of the people they date”. I’m certain that’s not true.

What do you think is the real reason they don’t allow filtering by trans status?

Fear

And incel culture.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 11/08/2026 12:28

Fancied doing an analysis of Lexibletheflexible’s argument

Her position appears to be:

  1. A heterosexual man who wants to date females is not really expressing a sexual orientation issue, but a preference against trans-identifying males.
  2. Hinge is entitled to define “woman” according to self-declared gender, rather than biological sex.
  3. Seeing somebody in a dating queue does not oblige anyone to date them, so there is no real harm.
  4. If people want a biological-sex filter, they should either ask individually or use another dating app.
  5. If Hinge does not provide such a filter, that is because either the market does not demand it or because the company has rationally decided it is not commercially worthwhile.

The problem is that almost every stage of that argument contains assumptions that do not stand up to scrutiny.

## 1. She confuses the sexual orientation of the person looking for a partner with the characteristics of the people they are looking for

The argument that “this is not about heterosexuality because you are not excluding bisexual women” is a category error.

A heterosexual man is attracted to females. The sexual orientation of the women he might date is not what defines his heterosexuality.

A heterosexual man can quite reasonably be attracted to women who are lesbian, bisexual, straight, or anything else, while still not being attracted to males.

The relevant distinction is not:

“Do you only want to date people who are heterosexual?”

The relevant distinction is:

“Are you seeking a partner of the opposite sex?”

Those are entirely different questions.

A gay man is not confused about his sexuality because he does not want to date bisexual men. A lesbian is not confused about her sexuality because she does not want to date bisexual women. Sexual orientation describes the sex of the people someone is attracted to, not the sexual orientation of those people.

## 2. She accepts the underlying issue but then argues it is not important

One of the most striking contradictions is that she repeatedly acknowledges that a biological-sex filter would solve the problem.

She even says she would install one herself if she created a dating app because it would be useful for compatibility.

That is a significant admission.

If biological sex is irrelevant, why would such a filter be useful?

The answer is obvious: because sex matters in dating.

People do not choose partners using abstract categories. They choose partners based on a complex mixture of physical attraction, personality, values, fertility, family plans, sexual compatibility, shared experiences and many other factors.

For many people, the sex of a potential partner is not a minor preference. It is foundational.

A dating app is not a social network. It exists specifically to help people find compatible romantic and sexual partners. Compatibility filters are therefore not arbitrary discrimination. They are the entire purpose of the product.

## 3. She misunderstands why discovery matters in dating

The argument that “you can simply swipe left” misses the point.

Nobody is suggesting that seeing an unsuitable profile forces anyone to date that person.

The issue is that dating apps are designed around efficient matching.

A person looking for a female partner does not want an algorithm deliberately presenting them with people who cannot meet that fundamental requirement. That is precisely why dating apps have filters.

The same logic applies to every other dating preference.

If someone wants a partner within a certain age range, religion, location, smoking status, desire for children or lifestyle, we do not say:

“Just look through thousands of unsuitable profiles and reject them manually.”

We provide filters because the entire purpose of the service is to reduce irrelevant matches.

The question is not whether someone can reject a match. The question is whether the platform is doing what it claims to do: helping people find compatible partners.

## 4. She misunderstands how businesses actually behave

A recurring assumption is that if Hinge does not provide a sex filter, this must mean either:

a) customers do not want one, or

b) Hinge has rationally decided that providing one is not profitable.

That is an extremely simplistic view of economics.

Businesses are not perfectly rational actors with perfect information. They are run by people, cultures, executives, marketing departments and corporate values. They make decisions based on assumptions, incentives, public relations concerns and internal beliefs.

Companies frequently make decisions that do not maximise profit.

Examples are everywhere:

  • companies abandon profitable products because executives dislike the direction;
  • companies enter markets they later discover are mistakes;
  • companies adopt policies that alienate some customers while appealing to others;
  • companies follow cultural trends before they have evidence of whether those trends are commercially beneficial.

The idea that “if customers wanted it, businesses would provide it” is not how markets work.

Markets are not perfect information systems where every possible product exists and consumers simply choose.

Products are created, restricted and shaped by the choices of companies.

A person cannot “just move to another app” if every major app adopts the same model. That is a form of market limitation, not a free choice between perfectly competitive alternatives.

## 5. She misunderstands captive markets and switching costs

The suggestion that people unhappy with Hinge should simply use another service ignores the reality of modern digital platforms.

People are often effectively locked into ecosystems.

A dating app’s value comes from:

  • the number of users;
  • the local user base;
  • reputation;
  • network effects;
  • the quality of its algorithm.

A dating app with a tiny number of users is not a meaningful alternative, even if it technically exists.

This is the same reason people cannot simply leave every dominant platform whenever they disagree with a policy.

A theoretical alternative is not the same as a practical alternative.

## 6. She assumes users and companies behave rationally, but human behaviour is not rational

A large part of the argument rests on the assumption that people make logical market choices.

They do not.

People are influenced by:

  • social pressure;
  • fear of criticism;
  • conformity;
  • branding;
  • ideology;
  • reputation;
  • convenience;
  • lack of alternatives.

Companies are influenced by exactly the same things.

A business decision is not automatically evidence that the decision reflects consumer demand.

Sometimes it reflects the values of leadership, the concerns of employees, perceived reputational risk, or simply the prevailing culture within an organisation.

The fact that Hinge has chosen a particular model does not prove that model is what users want.

## 7. She treats “women” as a category that can be defined differently depending on context, but ignores the consequences

Her argument relies on Hinge being allowed to define “woman” in its own way.

That may make sense internally for a software category, but dating is not merely a data-management problem.

Words in dating have real-world meanings.

When someone says they are looking for a woman, many people understand that to mean an adult human female.

Others understand it to mean anyone who identifies as a woman.

Those are competing interpretations.

The problem is not that one side refuses to understand the other. The problem is that the app has chosen one interpretation while many users reasonably expect another.

A platform that mediates intimate relationships has to recognise that these distinctions matter.

## 8. The market argument proves too much

If Hinge’s choices simply reflect consumer demand, then the same argument could justify any existing market structure.

But history shows markets often fail to provide what minorities or unpopular groups need.

Many improvements happened because consumers challenged existing systems rather than accepting them.

The argument:

“if people wanted this, someone would already provide it”

has repeatedly been wrong throughout history.

Businesses do not always identify unmet demand. Sometimes they create it. Sometimes they ignore it. Sometimes they actively resist it.

## Conclusion

The strongest part of Lexibletheflexible’s argument is that nobody should be forced to date anyone they do not want to date, and that a well-designed dating app should probably allow users to express meaningful compatibility preferences.

The weakness is that she then accepts the importance of biological sex while simultaneously arguing that people should not object when platforms fail to account for it.

She also assumes a perfectly rational market where businesses provide exactly what consumers want and consumers can freely move between competing alternatives. That is not how real economies work.

Dating is not a supermarket where every preference automatically produces a product. It is a deeply personal area involving attraction, intimacy, identity and compatibility. A platform that gets those assumptions wrong can create genuine problems for users, even if its intentions are considered positive.

The solution is not to force anybody to date somebody they do not want to date. The solution is to recognise that different people have different definitions of compatibility and that a dating service should provide transparent tools that allow adults to make those choices themselves.

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Shedmistress · 11/08/2026 12:45

Lexibletheflexible · 11/08/2026 11:53

How do you know users were unhappy? Is that because you googled and saw that people had reported discontent? Because i couldn't find any giggle users defending the owner. It was mostly other groups of people like a conservative family group. Whatever that is.

Maybe they didn't want their lives ruined by violent men raging and coming after them for daring to just want a female only app? Just a thought...

BackToLurk · 11/08/2026 12:49

MyAmpleSheep · 11/08/2026 12:17

That might be what they say, but I don’t think you (or they) really believe that “people aren’t that bothered about the sex of the people they date”. I’m certain that’s not true.

What do you think is the real reason they don’t allow filtering by trans status?

Fear of litigation, lack of confidence in the honesty of transpeople in relation to their sex, assumption that people are usually so obviously the sex they are that users will do that filtering on the app’s behalf. Who knows.

swimsong · 11/08/2026 12:53

Lexibletheflexible · 11/08/2026 11:50

If it makes them more money, that shows that more people are happy to pay for a site where trans women are included. If it lost them money, they'd do something to make sure either trans people were unwelcome or clearly labelled.

It makes them more money from transwomen paying their subs.

JustEatThePizza · 11/08/2026 13:15

Lexibletheflexible · 11/08/2026 11:59

What people?

Don't deny their existence. Why are you trying to erase people who are unhappy with how these apps work?

Lovelyview · 11/08/2026 13:27

Lexibletheflexible · 11/08/2026 07:07

Yes. They don't think TW violate a "female only" space. Obviously. That is why they fight for their inclusion on them. That's pretty basic stuff. There would be no argument if they didn't think they are women.

They're clearly deluded.

JustEatThePizza · 11/08/2026 13:35

It's another case of when cold hard truth and reality hit trans people.

Due to the way in which dating apps have ended up working, men are better off swipe first, ask questions later. For trans women it gives them a false sense of acceptance of being seen as female. Reality hits when they realise that straight men aren't interested in them and that the internet lied to them over it.

Better off to believe in the illusion that because people use an app they support you and your cause.

This thread prevents users from posting on it until they have been members for at least 3 days.