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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
DontStopMe · 08/08/2026 16:14

I didn’t find KJK to be ‘ranting and aggressive’ either. Straightforward and clear, unlike Webberley who was unclear, waffling and quite rude to ask KJK such personal questions.

Owly11 · 08/08/2026 16:27

PotteringPondering · 07/08/2026 22:35

Maybe so. But the majority of the public pick up more on vibes than content, and I felt KJK came across in this debate as a bully.

I agree with what she says. I've attended her events in Hyde Park. I've been in the studio audience when she's been on Free Speech Nation. But her manner in this interview was rude and aggressive. That's a problem when you're trying to convince a general public who pick up on vibes more than content.

Might you consider that it's you that has failed to pick up on HW's vibe? HW was the one throwing personal insults at KJK about her personal decisions about HRT and mocking KJK about disliking butt lifts. Not once did KJK throw a personal insult at HW or mock her. KJK was completely straight with her. When someone is mocking someone else the vibe is contemptuous. The other vibes HW gives off are 'ghoulish' and 'manipulative'. I don't believe that you can't see that. Even TRAs beg her on Reddit to stop trying to represent them.

weetumshie · 08/08/2026 17:04

Both are quite dreadful people-Webberley for her endless wrong views re sex and KJK for her fascist adjacent views on things other than sex v trans. Proves you can share one view with someone but nothing else, despite the popular opinion that if you share one thing it must include a whole raft of other things too.

SirChenjins · 08/08/2026 17:26

weetumshie · 08/08/2026 17:04

Both are quite dreadful people-Webberley for her endless wrong views re sex and KJK for her fascist adjacent views on things other than sex v trans. Proves you can share one view with someone but nothing else, despite the popular opinion that if you share one thing it must include a whole raft of other things too.

HW doesn't just hold wrong views re sex - she chemically mutilates children. That's far, far worse than holding certain views or opinions.

blubberball · 09/08/2026 09:53

Helen Webberley has done a follow up video on her own channel, but I can't bring myself to watch and listen to her views unchallenged

Waitingfordoggo · 09/08/2026 18:31

I don’t think I can bear to watch that either @blubberball. I haven’t made it all the way through the Trigonometry one yet- have had to take a two day break to cleanse my mind of Helen. Might attempt to watch the rest tonight.

Alucard55 · 09/08/2026 21:18

I come away feeling soiled whenever I watch/listen to her.

seanconneryseyebrow · 10/08/2026 10:29

I like KJK no nonsense approach. Its very 'less is more'. Makes me think its the verbal version of Sophie Cunninghams pointing thing. Just saying, 'nope dont care. They aren't coming in. Not our problem'. Rinse and repeat. I used to argue the points for HOURS, I dont anymore. I just say no not happening. I also like the using the word 'men' - each and every time to correct when HW and her ilk are blathering on about transwomen this and that. 'Men' 'Men' 'Men'. I think we are all getting to the point where the arguments have been done to fuckign death and we are tired.

I think we should start doing the Sophie Cunningham approach and just pointing. How glorious would it be in a TW was in the loos or in a sport and everyone just stood there pointing. Wouldn't that be something!

Alucard55 · 10/08/2026 14:50

@seanconneryseyebrow agree with every word. I'm so sick of it they are fucking men!

BabaYagasHouse · 10/08/2026 15:03

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wherearemypeople · 11/08/2026 07:26

I got to the end of it yesterday. I found KJK's question of (roughly) "if there was a pill to cure gender dysphoria would you support its use?" fascinating. Webberley just responded with a question of what if there was a pill to cure homosexuality.

Webberley both insists that transgender identity must be affirmed with really extreme drugs and surgery or the person affected will kill themselves. A pill to solve such a serious issue would be fantastic.

But she couldn't support that because it messes with her "trans is just normal" narrative, and making her lots of money.

OldCrone · 11/08/2026 07:41

Webberley both insists that transgender identity must be affirmed with really extreme drugs and surgery or the person affected will kill themselves

She's obviously conveniently forgotten that at least one of her young patients killed themself after she gave them the drugs.

Brainworm · 11/08/2026 09:19

wherearemypeople · 11/08/2026 07:26

I got to the end of it yesterday. I found KJK's question of (roughly) "if there was a pill to cure gender dysphoria would you support its use?" fascinating. Webberley just responded with a question of what if there was a pill to cure homosexuality.

Webberley both insists that transgender identity must be affirmed with really extreme drugs and surgery or the person affected will kill themselves. A pill to solve such a serious issue would be fantastic.

But she couldn't support that because it messes with her "trans is just normal" narrative, and making her lots of money.

I would have liked Helen to have been challenged more in this area and for her whataboutery to be pushed to one side.

She knows full well that sexual orientation is not a condition for which medical intervention is required.

She knows full well that in order to access medical intervention, ‘being trans’ needs to be understood as a medical condition and as such, treatment options need to kept under review.

This fudging needs addressing and has direct links to the need for a strong evidence base and the conversion therapy nonsense.

Taking a middle ground - the medical establishment could adopt something like:
Good outcome: Distress has resolved, body‑focused preoccupation has ceased, and the patient demonstrates stable acceptance of their healthy body
Satisfactory outcome: (I) as per good outcome, but distress is not entirely resolved but is managed to a non impairing level (2) distress has resolved or reduced to a non impairing level with no long term medication needs of loss of function through surgery
Poor Outcome: Healthy organs or body parts have been removed, patient requires long term medication.

The fact that what constitutes good and poor outcomes is not being interrogated as part of the post Cass work to develop a stronger evidence base is, in my view, shocking and should have taken place in advance of the PB trial.

The ‘no debate’ strategy is live and kicking in this arena. Debates such as this one really do need to get stuck in to the detail.

wherearemypeople · 11/08/2026 13:24

Agree with this. It was a bit frustrating that Konstantin didn't pick up on some of Kellie's best points but moved on. Like you say it's the whole medical profession not just Webberley.

seanconneryseyebrow · 11/08/2026 13:29

wherearemypeople · 11/08/2026 13:24

Agree with this. It was a bit frustrating that Konstantin didn't pick up on some of Kellie's best points but moved on. Like you say it's the whole medical profession not just Webberley.

Well yeah and tbf to HW (cant believe Im defending her) she is the only medical professional who will debate and speak out. I mean shes an idiot, and they hate her doing it, but also no one really can defend it anyway. Everyone else on that side just hides behind 'no debate'.

Datun · 11/08/2026 16:09

seanconneryseyebrow · 11/08/2026 13:29

Well yeah and tbf to HW (cant believe Im defending her) she is the only medical professional who will debate and speak out. I mean shes an idiot, and they hate her doing it, but also no one really can defend it anyway. Everyone else on that side just hides behind 'no debate'.

Yeah but the reason she does it is to tout for business

spannasaurus · 11/08/2026 16:25

Datun · 11/08/2026 16:09

Yeah but the reason she does it is to tout for business

The t shirt HW was wearing was promoting her AI assistant

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Waitingfordoggo · 11/08/2026 20:32

I’m still trying to plough through it all but I think I’d rather extract all my teeth with DH’s pliers.

KJK said that there are almost always other factors at play when a child claims a trans identity (autism, homosexuality, trauma…) and HW said that the trauma they are suffering is because of their gender dysphoria.

So she has clearly never listened to the many trans-identifying girls and young women (especially the detransitioners) who talk of sexual abuse in their childhoods, or unwanted sexual attention from men and boys. Drs dispensing puberty blockers and cross sex hormones to young people have no excuse for not acquainting themselves with all of these viewpoints and experiences so as to inform their best practice. She doesn’t listen, and she doesn’t think and that makes her so incredibly dangerous.

seanconneryseyebrow · 12/08/2026 09:03

Oh yes. And the HUGE over-representation of children in care who identify as trans is no coincidence either. Wonder how shed explain that one?

Alucard55 · 12/08/2026 09:41

seanconneryseyebrow · 12/08/2026 09:03

Oh yes. And the HUGE over-representation of children in care who identify as trans is no coincidence either. Wonder how shed explain that one?

She would say something like well children with parents who don't affirm their identy are abusive therefore bad parents so it makes sense lots would end up in the care system.

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