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The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which Gosie returns to the trail

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Magpiecomplex · 27/07/2026 20:46

Next thread!

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AngleofRepose · 06/08/2026 09:04

Morning! I have jumped into the fray on the Wings thread. If you never hear from me again, that'll be why...

ErrolTheDragon · 06/08/2026 09:35

MyrtleLion · 06/08/2026 01:32

I think the Graduation colours should be Green White and Violet - Give Women Votes.

I have spent three hours arguing with Claude.ai about 250 words at the end of chapter 19. Only to discover that it was reloading the rubbish ending in every prompt and working from that, rather than deleting it which I told it in the first prompt three hours ago.

Having established the error I still haven’t fixed it and I’m furious.

That sounds very frustrating.Flowers

You’re obviously right about the UBF colours - they can be plain dyed or, if the graduand prefers, iridescent structural colours. If you want an example of how this can look combined with traditional black subfusc, our esteemed Dr Magpie (faculty of plant science and pretty shiny things) usually struts her stuff in these academicals rather than her alternative curtains.

FuzzyPuffling · 06/08/2026 09:55

AngleofRepose · 06/08/2026 09:04

Morning! I have jumped into the fray on the Wings thread. If you never hear from me again, that'll be why...

I've bumbled in too, with a chocolate- based comment. Of course.

Magpiecomplex · 06/08/2026 10:20

One of the ways I know I'm unwinding is that I start to remember my dreams. Last night I was beset by people thinking they were being helpful. One had covered the walls in yards of masking tape carefully delineating where I could stick up hundreds of 6x4 photos (literally outlined every single rectangle), without any indication that this was something I might want to do. Another had emptied a new bag of coffee beans in order to count them, because apparently this was also being helpful.
The junior Magpies were in the dream too - they were carefully watching me with some degree of amusement for the moment I stopped being sarcastic and started actually exploding. 😂

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AngleofRepose · 06/08/2026 10:37

FuzzyPuffling · 06/08/2026 09:55

I've bumbled in too, with a chocolate- based comment. Of course.

I don't think anyone else has noticed yet, phew! I'm still alive.

AngleofRepose · 06/08/2026 10:39

One had covered the walls in yards of masking tape carefully delineating where I could stick up hundreds of 6x4 photos (literally outlined every single rectangle)

@Magpiecomplex that is some seriously weird stuff!

Mine last night was a classic worry dream for me: rising tides/water and nowhere to go. I'd rather have had the masking tape dream, on balance.

Magpiecomplex · 06/08/2026 10:46

AngleofRepose · 06/08/2026 10:39

One had covered the walls in yards of masking tape carefully delineating where I could stick up hundreds of 6x4 photos (literally outlined every single rectangle)

@Magpiecomplex that is some seriously weird stuff!

Mine last night was a classic worry dream for me: rising tides/water and nowhere to go. I'd rather have had the masking tape dream, on balance.

Oh, if you want weird... A few nights ago I dreamt I was visiting a friend for afternoon tea. He'd somehow managed to buy, and boil whole, a pair of huge sea turtles. And spent the whole dream trying to give bits away to everyone. I have no idea what my subconscious was trying to tell me with that one! On balance maybe I shouldn't try to unwind, maybe it's safer if I don't remember my dreams 😆

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DauntlessDamson · 06/08/2026 11:25

You all have much more interesting dreams than me.

I dreamt an entire shopping trip to Sainsbury's one night, but realised when I opened my fridge in the morning, that I still had to do the shopping!.

Magpiecomplex · 06/08/2026 11:44

DauntlessDamson · 06/08/2026 11:25

You all have much more interesting dreams than me.

I dreamt an entire shopping trip to Sainsbury's one night, but realised when I opened my fridge in the morning, that I still had to do the shopping!.

Bet that was annoying. Like those dreams where you're getting dressed and ready for work, and you wake up just as you're about to leave the house and your heart sinks when you realise you've got to do it all again.

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MyrtleLion · 06/08/2026 12:31

DauntlessDamson · 06/08/2026 06:43

That is dedication above and beyond the call of duty, Myrtle.

I hope you managed to cool down enough to get some sleep eventually.

It was actually useful because I have got it to create a skill (ask me about them) to stop doing that, though I'm sure this will have unintended consequences. I noticed that my meds wear of about 10-12 hours after I take them and then I become very disregulated very easily. I should really stop at that point because I just get more furious. When I get frustrated on the meds, I'm cross, but I don't become disregulated.

It also meant I reread what I had written and thought, no wonder it's not working, I'm trying to say something that should be higher up the chapter, and then I should probably move that whole bit further down. I had similar issues with Chapter 16 and it worked much better after a restructure. Intererstingly the activity in Chapter 19 follows directly on from 16 (other things happen in 17 and 18) so this may be why it is so frustrating.

I started publishing once I had written 10 chapters because I knew I would have days where I couldn't write a chapter a day. 19 has taken an evening, a day and will now take another afternoon, I suspect. I want to publish a chapter a day for you all, so this means I have wriggle room.

AngleofRepose · 06/08/2026 16:04

I have been out picking blackberries! They are abundant, but I think still about a week off their best, so shall forage again next week.

And, on a walk late yesterday, I picked up some windfall apples from somebody who had a box out. The sign might as well have said, "For the love of Pete, will someone get rid of these for me! There'll be three more boxes by tomorrow!"

ps. my package did not come (of course). Now redelivering on Saturday, which means it will come tomorrow (of course).

EmpressaurusKitty · 06/08/2026 16:19

Kitty had a check up at the vet this morning, all absolutely fine & she was very brave, so now she’s asleep on her roof & I’m crocheting while listening to the new Jodi Taylor. Nearly finished the first row of cats so I’ll post a pic when that’s done.

The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which Gosie returns to the trail
PastaAllaNorma · 06/08/2026 16:22

I picked raspberries and blackberries to have with a slightly overripe nectarine and a handful of pecans and sunflower seeds. It was a lovely sweet treat on a rather chilly day.

AngleofRepose · 06/08/2026 16:31

"Chilly" Chilly? Did somebody say "chilly"??? It's definitely cooler here, but "chilly" would be one of those lies, lies, and damned lies. I would love some chilly for once.

(Someone remind me I said that, in November)

EmpressaurusKitty · 06/08/2026 16:47

It’s definitely more comfortable today. I’m wearing actual full length jeans.

FuzzyPuffling · 06/08/2026 16:49

I've been out looking at painted lighthouses. Here's my favourite. Can you spot Kevin, who sneaked in to say hello?

The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which Gosie returns to the trail
AngleofRepose · 06/08/2026 16:50

FuzzyPuffling · 06/08/2026 16:49

I've been out looking at painted lighthouses. Here's my favourite. Can you spot Kevin, who sneaked in to say hello?

I see Kevin!

Why are you on a lighthouse?

Chickadeeinme · 06/08/2026 17:05

A lighthouse is an excellent place to be!

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Magpiecomplex · 06/08/2026 17:12

Why does no one warn you how expensive sons with big feet are? Cute little baby boys, adorable, and then they start school and bleed you dry on a regular basis! From this you may gather that I've just got back from a shoe shopping expedition with both the junior Magpies. Add in the fact that they have both also inherited their parents' bloody awful eyesight and they got us coming and going!

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MyrtleLion · 06/08/2026 17:18

New Gosie episode I hear you cry?

Coming shortly...

FuzzyPuffling · 06/08/2026 17:52

AngleofRepose · 06/08/2026 16:50

I see Kevin!

Why are you on a lighthouse?

I'm on the look out for gerbils!

FuzzyPuffling · 06/08/2026 17:56

Magpiecomplex · 06/08/2026 17:12

Why does no one warn you how expensive sons with big feet are? Cute little baby boys, adorable, and then they start school and bleed you dry on a regular basis! From this you may gather that I've just got back from a shoe shopping expedition with both the junior Magpies. Add in the fact that they have both also inherited their parents' bloody awful eyesight and they got us coming and going!

You think girls are any cheaper????

ErrolTheDragon · 06/08/2026 18:00

FuzzyPuffling · 06/08/2026 17:52

I'm on the look out for gerbils!

That’s probably what Kevin is doing too,

FuzzyPuffling · 06/08/2026 18:02

ErrolTheDragon · 06/08/2026 18:00

That’s probably what Kevin is doing too,

Nah, he wants chips.

MyrtleLion · 06/08/2026 18:12

11. The Same Pane

In which Hedgehog asks some questions…

@Hedgehogforshort came down to breakfast with a notebook, a second pen in case the first one failed her, and the particular set to her shoulders that meant she had already decided how this was going to go before anyone else had sat down.

“Graft,” she said. “I want to go through the crate again. From the beginning.”

Graft, halfway through buttering toast, put the knife down. “I told you last night. Twice.”

“Tell me again. In order.”

“It was dark. There were dozens of panes in it, packed edge to edge in straw.”

“Dozens,” Hedgehog repeated, writing it down as though the number itself might later be disputed. “Not one pane set apart from the others. Not wrapped separately.”

“No. Why would there be?”

“I’m establishing what you saw, not what I expect you to have seen.” Hedgehog underlined the word dozens twice. “Go on. You said Gosie’s photograph was the same as one of the panes. Which one?”

Graft said, “The one with the woman holding pointy things. She is standing at a table, with the two pointy things in one hand, and her other hand is flat on a table. There’s a lovely blue background.”

“She wasn’t praying?” said Hedgehog.

“No.”

“Or sewing?”

“No. Nothing like that. I don’t know what she was doing. She had two pointy things in her hand. Lovely blue background.”

“That’s precisely why I’m asking,” said Hedgehog, and wrote something down that took considerably longer than the sentence had.

Griffin, who had been listening from two seats along with the studied innocence of someone who intended to speak the moment an opening presented itself, seized this one. “I saw the background as well. It was very blue. The pointy things were very pointy. I said so at the time.”

“Nobody asked you.”

“I’m corroborating.”

“I don’t need corroboration from someone who wasn’t asked a direct question,” said Hedgehog, not looking up. “What I need is what you personally observed, not what you personally agreed with.”

Griffin considered the distinction, decided she disliked it, and described the pointy things anyway, at length, while Hedgehog’s pen remained motionless over the page.

“It was a clothworker,” said Grisaille.

The pen moved. Grisaille described the image. A woman standing at a table with shears in her right hand, a bolt of cloth unrolled in front of her, a small dog at her feet, and behind her a window with the shutter open onto a town. The border was oak. There was a merchant’s mark in the bottom left corner, which was how you knew who had paid for it.

Graft looked at Grind. Grind looked at Graft.

“Are you completely sure?” said Graft.

“I don’t remember you being on the yacht,” said Grind.

“Yes,” said Grisaille.

Gimbal turned round and looked at the photograph of the stained glass window in Norwich Cathedral. A woman at a table, alone, with a sheet held flat under one hand and the two pointy things open in the other, and blue behind her going all the way up with nothing in it. “There’s no dog,” she said.

“And no town,” said Gasket.

“And there’s nothing in the corner,” said Ganges.

Hedgehog put a line through Grisaille’s description in her notebook.

Girdle, further down the table, announced that she remembered thinking the blue was lovely, too, and she’d said so at the time.

“How many times,” said Gimbal, “would you say you said the blue was lovely?”

“I don’t know. A few.”

“It was at least three,” said Gimbal, and began counting on her fingers to prove it, got to two, lost the thread entirely, and started again from the beginning with undiminished enthusiasm, as though arriving at the number were less interesting than the counting itself.

Hedgehog turned a fresh page. “Girdle. When you say the blue was lovely, do you mean the glass was the same colour blue as in the photograph?”

Girdle opened her mouth, then closed it, then opened it again with rather less certainty than before. “I don’t know. I just thought it was lovely. The blue colour was lovely. Is that wrong?”

“I haven’t said anything is wrong.”

“You’re writing it down like it’s wrong.” Girdle’s chin had begun, very slightly, to tremble. “What if I got it wrong? What if it wasn’t the same blue at all and I’ve just been saying it because Graft said it first and everyone was agreeing and I didn’t want to be the one who hadn’t noticed anything.” Her voice had gone thin and her lower lip would not quite hold still. “What if none of it’s true and it’s just because of me?”

It was @MarieDeGournay, two seats along, who set her cup down and reached across to still Girdle’s paw before Hedgehog could get a word out.
“Nobody’s on trial here,” she said, gently, and not particularly to Hedgehog, though it landed there all the same. “You saw a pretty colour, and you said so. That’s not evidence of anything except that you were paying attention.” She looked at Hedgehog then, without unkindness, but without any give in it either. “You are not a solicitor in this room. They’re only telling you what they remember.”

Hedgehog looked at the notebook, then at Girdle, whose lip was still unsteady, then closed the notebook without writing anything further.

“I only meant to be thorough,” she said.

“I know,” said Marie. “Have some tea.”

Hedgehog had some tea. Then she looked over at Girdle, whose lip had only just steadied. “I’m sorry,” she said. “I wasn’t trying to catch you out. You saw a blue you liked.”

Girdle said, “So it was the right blue?”

“I’m sure it is exactly the right blue,” said Hedgehog, and meant it plainly enough that Girdle managed a small nod, and went back to her toast looking rather more like herself.

Hedgehog eventually looked up at Gosie, who had been watching the whole exchange from across the table without saying anything.

“I need to see that window myself,” Hedgehog said. “Not photographs. Not Graft’s memory of it. The actual glass.” She paused. “Can we go? Today, if possible.”

Gosie considered this for exactly as long as it took to finish her tea. “We can go,” she said.

They went.

The window in Norwich Cathedral was exactly as Graft had described it, and the blue was the exact same blue. Hedgehog saw it the minute she stood in front of it. The pointy things were dividers, held at an angle. The hand, flat against the table.

“That’s it,” said Hedgehog. “That’s exactly the same pane. The exact same blue. Which means the one Graft found in the crate is a copy. A convincing one, since nobody has raised so much as a question about this window since it was restored.”

Gosie had spent three months standing in front of glass of one kind or another, long enough that colour had stopped being the first thing she noticed. What she noticed instead, close to the surface of this particular pane, was the way the light came through it, level and even from edge to edge, without the small unevenness she’d learned to expect elsewhere, the places where old glass thickened and thinned across its own surface and let the light through unevenly with it.

“No,” she said. “This is the copy.”

“You can’t tell that just standing here.”

“I can.”

“You’re not a glazier.”

“No,” said Gosie, and left it there, because there wasn’t a way of putting it that would have meant to Hedgehog what it meant to her, and she had stopped trying to find one.

“So how did the original glass end up in a crate in US Customs with a replica installed in its place, without anyone noticing?” asked Hedgehog.

“Gemma Glasswing,” said Gosie. “Her firm restored this window.”

At that point Gosie’s phone rang.

“It’s @ChristmasStars,” said the voice on the other end, without preamble. “We’ve had a letter. Fenella Burnish wants to see you at her workshop. In ninety minutes.”

https://myrtlelion.substack.com/p/11-the-same-pane

The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which Gosie returns to the trail