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The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which Gosie returns to the trail

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Magpiecomplex · 27/07/2026 20:46

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EmpressaurusKitty · 03/08/2026 07:32

FuzzyPuffling · 03/08/2026 07:22

World of Books has it for £7.40.
I love WOB!

Especially for buying in bulk! I got most of the Kinsey Millhone & St Mary’s books from there.

ChristmasStars · 03/08/2026 07:40

FuzzyPuffling · 03/08/2026 07:22

World of Books has it for £7.40.
I love WOB!

Thanks! So do I!

EmpressaurusKitty · 03/08/2026 08:07

Does anyone else find that the word ‘stupid’ is becoming increasingly common in their inner vocabulary?

Stupid things include gender ideology, pavement cyclists, people who play loud music so I can hear it, people who take up too much space on the tube with their suitcases, tubes not running, the return of my period & anything else that happens to be annoying me at the time.

Is this a healthy lack of fucks or growing intolerance? I do make sure I only say it in my head. Mostly.

FuzzyPuffling · 03/08/2026 08:14

EmpressaurusKitty · 03/08/2026 08:07

Does anyone else find that the word ‘stupid’ is becoming increasingly common in their inner vocabulary?

Stupid things include gender ideology, pavement cyclists, people who play loud music so I can hear it, people who take up too much space on the tube with their suitcases, tubes not running, the return of my period & anything else that happens to be annoying me at the time.

Is this a healthy lack of fucks or growing intolerance? I do make sure I only say it in my head. Mostly.

I also favour "oik" and "ruffian".

FuzzyPuffling · 03/08/2026 08:15

Shout out to @PastaAllaNorma . How are you today?

EmpressaurusKitty · 03/08/2026 08:22

FuzzyPuffling · 03/08/2026 08:14

I also favour "oik" and "ruffian".

Marvellous.

I think the only place I remember seeing oik is the Jennings books - have you read those, @FuzzyPuffling?

Hedgehogforshort · 03/08/2026 08:45

I like “Ruffty Tuffty”

not sure how to spell it

ErrolTheDragon · 03/08/2026 09:06

EmpressaurusKitty · 03/08/2026 08:07

Does anyone else find that the word ‘stupid’ is becoming increasingly common in their inner vocabulary?

Stupid things include gender ideology, pavement cyclists, people who play loud music so I can hear it, people who take up too much space on the tube with their suitcases, tubes not running, the return of my period & anything else that happens to be annoying me at the time.

Is this a healthy lack of fucks or growing intolerance? I do make sure I only say it in my head. Mostly.

being less tolerant of bad behaviour and design flaws is healthy, IMO.

I remember when I was meno age - blessedly rather uneventful for me - a couple of times GPs essentially asking if I was moodier and replying along the lines of, No, but my family is being a bit more annoying recently.😂

MyrtleLion · 03/08/2026 09:09

AsWithGlad · 02/08/2026 19:07

Sorry this is late, I’m catching up.

Gosie and ChristmasStars were in Cambridge and I didn’t know? It’s quite close to where I live, had I known I could actually have seen them. From a respectful distance, of course, I would not like to have distracted them from their quest.

I’m very impressed that they got into Trinity. Their porters are reputed to be very fierce.

Gosie has her ways…

MarieDeGournay · 03/08/2026 09:17

EmpressaurusKitty · 03/08/2026 08:07

Does anyone else find that the word ‘stupid’ is becoming increasingly common in their inner vocabulary?

Stupid things include gender ideology, pavement cyclists, people who play loud music so I can hear it, people who take up too much space on the tube with their suitcases, tubes not running, the return of my period & anything else that happens to be annoying me at the time.

Is this a healthy lack of fucks or growing intolerance? I do make sure I only say it in my head. Mostly.

Morning all, and I hope Pasta is on the mendFlowers

The word I have to almost physically restrain myself from using is not a proper word, it is DUH! as in 'it's so obvious it doesn't need explaining'.

As in 'Complicated? no, it's simple: use the facilities designated for your biological sex. DUH!'

Or 'The summers are getting fierce hot - how did that happen?' '
'DUH!'

Obviously I only use it in my head cos it's not exactly part of mature, polite discourse is it?
No it's not, DUH!😁

It actually rained here overnight, the grass is sprinkled with sparkly things, drops of water as rare and precious as diamonds [not literally- DUH!Wink].

Not reservoir-topping-up amounts, but it will have refreshed the plants.
The ones that have survived 😒

MyrtleLion · 03/08/2026 09:24

Next Gosie chapter being uploaded…

Magpiecomplex · 03/08/2026 09:29

EmpressaurusKitty · 03/08/2026 08:07

Does anyone else find that the word ‘stupid’ is becoming increasingly common in their inner vocabulary?

Stupid things include gender ideology, pavement cyclists, people who play loud music so I can hear it, people who take up too much space on the tube with their suitcases, tubes not running, the return of my period & anything else that happens to be annoying me at the time.

Is this a healthy lack of fucks or growing intolerance? I do make sure I only say it in my head. Mostly.

Many things in the holiday cottage kitchen were being described as stupid out loud. The stupid oven, the stupid toaster, the stupid kettle that scalded your hand with steam when you poured it, the stupid cooker hood carefully positioned so that Mr Magpie regularly headbutted it, the stupid light switch behind a door... Actually the light switches were all stupid. We still hadn't figured them all out before we left.

I make sure "stupid" doesn't come out of my mouth in front of students but the quid pro quo is that it's allowed free rein at other times.

I'm feeling human again today, which is good. Hope Pasta is feeling likewise better Flowers

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MyrtleLion · 03/08/2026 09:31

8. Norwich Cathedral

In which Gosie has company…

Gosie had not expected to see anyone she knew in Norwich, which made it all the more surprising when the first thing she saw on entering the Close was @EdithStourton, accompanied by her dogs, Brains and Batshit.

“Brains. Batshit.”

Both dogs sat. Batshit sat on the edge of the kerb and slid off it.

“Edith.”

“Gosie.” Edith did not seem remotely surprised by the coincidence, in the way that nothing much ever seemed to surprise Edith. “I didn’t know you were still on the cathedral circuit.”

“I didn’t know you were in Norwich.”

“Passing through. Brains wanted to see the river.” Edith said this as though it were a perfectly ordinary reason for a dog to want anything. “She’ll have to stay outside with Batshit. They don’t allow them in, which Brains considers a personal insult, given how well behaved she is right up until the moment someone tells her she can’t come in.”

“I see Batshit’s seen a pigeon,” said Gosie.

The pigeon walked three steps to the left, stopped then took three steps forward. Batshit followed it, then stopped, apparently having reached the end of the plan.

“She won’t get any further than that,” said Edith. “Let’s go in while they’re both occupied. They’ll find a sunny patch and wait.”

Norwich Cathedral did not pretend to be simple, which Gosie appreciated after weeks of cathedrals that either had too little glass to explain or too much explaining to do about the glass they had. The medieval windows had gone the way medieval windows generally went in England, the Reformation first, then the Civil War for anything that had survived the Reformation, leaving a scatter of fragments in the Deanery and not much else. But Norwich, unlike so many of the others, had simply decided to start again. An 1830s refurbishment had taken the opportunity to reintroduce stained glass wholesale, and nobody since had seen much reason to stop. Victorian glass sat beside surviving medieval fragments sat beside war memorial windows commissioned when the Dean and Chapter had encouraged the leading families to give something worth remembering their sons by, and beside all of that, in the north transept, glass that was frankly modern, panels that any other cathedral would have hesitated to hang so close to something six hundred years older.

It meant, Gosie thought, standing in the nave with her notebook not yet out, that here of all places nobody would look twice at a piece of old glass appearing somewhere new. That was rather the point of the building.

Edith had come for the north transept, she said, in the way people say things when the real reason is a little harder to explain, and Gosie found she had done exactly the same. Recent contemporary work was easiest to date and therefore easiest to rule in or out, and there was nothing there beyond glass that was exactly as recent as it claimed to be. It was the medieval fragments that stopped her, tucked into a smaller window on the south side, incorporated the way the survey described it, respectfully, sparingly, into a surrounding scheme of nineteenth century glass built specifically to house them.

The fragments were meant to look old. That was their entire purpose, survivors given a dignified setting rather than a disguise. Which was exactly why it took her longer than it should have to notice that one small roundel, low in the border, was not old at all. The colour was right. The wear was right, or close enough that she had walked past it twice already. But the leading around it had the same faint brightness she had learned to recognise at Durham.

Edith was already looking at it when Gosie turned back.

“There,” said Edith, and pointed, before Gosie had said a word about what she was looking for.

It took Gosie a second to find it, low in the border of the roundel, and then she wondered how she had missed it on first glance at all. The circle. The three diagonal lines. Smaller than at Durham, worked in more carefully, but unmistakably the same mark.

She stood very still and looked at it for a long moment, the way she had at Durham, the way she had at Ripon.

“That one’s odd,” said Edith, after a moment.

“Odd how?”

Edith looked at it a moment longer before answering. “It’s out of true. Just here.” She nodded at the smallest section of the circle, low on the left. “The rest of it’s machine pressed. But that bit isn’t.”

Gosie looked again, and saw what she meant. The faintest waver in the line, the kind of imperfection a machine press would never produce.

She photographed the leading again. Then she stood back and made herself stop looking at it, because she had learned by now that staring at a thing did not usually make the questions resolve any faster.

She took out her notebook. Norwich, she wrote. South window, medieval fragments, recent roundel, symbol confirmed. Then, underneath, because the question still hadn’t resolved itself and she had learned not to force these things: something else. Ask at the Bluestocking.

https://myrtlelion.substack.com/p/8-norwich-cathedral

The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which Gosie returns to the trail
ChristmasStars · 03/08/2026 09:45

Ooh intriguing @MyrtleLion

Batshit sat on the edge of the kerb and slid off it is my favourite line today 🤣

EmpressaurusKitty · 03/08/2026 09:58

Just mentioning, as somewhere with a fairly random collection of stained glass. strawberryhillhouseblog.wordpress.com/2019/03/27/the-painted-glass-of-strawberry-hill-house/

FuzzyPuffling · 03/08/2026 10:00

EmpressaurusKitty · 03/08/2026 08:22

Marvellous.

I think the only place I remember seeing oik is the Jennings books - have you read those, @FuzzyPuffling?

Of course! My son was a huge fan in his younger days.
Also PG Wodehouse, for "spiffing".

And yes, i do actually use all these words in everyday conversation! Old person slang.

PastaAllaNorma · 03/08/2026 10:02

FuzzyPuffling · 03/08/2026 08:15

Shout out to @PastaAllaNorma . How are you today?

Fragile, but improving, Fluffy, thank you. And thanks to all the well wishes from the Bluey, you've helped me keep my spirits up.

Kitty, 'stupid' used to be my period claxon. If I thought "so bloody stupid" more than three times in a day it was a cast iron guarantee my period would start within 12 hours.

Excellent work by Edith in today's chapter, although I'd expect nothing less. A real delight, Myrtle, thank you.

FuzzyPuffling · 03/08/2026 10:12

I quite like being "Fluffy". It makes a change from "Fuzzy". One day I will be "Immaculately Groomed Puffling"

( Not much chance of that 😂)

ChristmasStars · 03/08/2026 10:20

FuzzyPuffling · 03/08/2026 10:12

I quite like being "Fluffy". It makes a change from "Fuzzy". One day I will be "Immaculately Groomed Puffling"

( Not much chance of that 😂)

We will definitely need an immaculately groomed picture!

FuzzyPuffling · 03/08/2026 10:39

ChristmasStars · 03/08/2026 10:20

We will definitely need an immaculately groomed picture!

You might be waiting a long time!

FuzzyPuffling · 03/08/2026 10:41

Quite smart here....

The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which Gosie returns to the trail
MyrtleLion · 03/08/2026 10:49

My train to That London has been cancelled. So now I have to take a convoluted journey to a different London station, meaning I will arrive 45 minutes later and halfway through lunch.

I'm kicking myself for not checking because I could have taken a train 20 minutes earlier and arrived on time. 😡 I was having a leisurely breakfast instead.

MarieDeGournay · 03/08/2026 10:55

Glad to hear both Magpie and Pasta are feeling somewhat better today, hope you both keep going in that direction towards completely better ASAPFlowers

Lovely to see Gosie and Edith + B&B in Norwich Cathedral - I've actually been there, this is the first of Gosie's visits that I can identify with closelySmile

Well spotted, Edith! I can imagine Gosie turning to look at you with a look of recognition and respect - 'Here's a woman who thinks like me - an even - most unusually - a second or two before me, in this case!'

Maybe you should team up in future adventures - but preferably outdoor adventures because we'd want much more of B&B than just sitting - or attempting to sit in the case of BatshitGrin - outside.

Will Gosie visit Ely? There used to be a stained glass museum there beside the Cathedral, I don't know if it still exists.

edited to correct 'outdorr' which looked like it was a regional accent, but it was just a typo😄

MarieDeGournay · 03/08/2026 11:00

MyrtleLion · 03/08/2026 10:49

My train to That London has been cancelled. So now I have to take a convoluted journey to a different London station, meaning I will arrive 45 minutes later and halfway through lunch.

I'm kicking myself for not checking because I could have taken a train 20 minutes earlier and arrived on time. 😡 I was having a leisurely breakfast instead.

That's very annoying, Myrtle! Flowers
Hope the journey isn't too awful, and you still have a nice time in London.

Magpiecomplex · 03/08/2026 11:04

FuzzyPuffling · 03/08/2026 10:41

Quite smart here....

Very smart!

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