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The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which Gosie returns to the trail

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Magpiecomplex · 27/07/2026 20:46

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Boiledbeetle · 31/07/2026 19:52

MyrtleLion · 31/07/2026 19:45

Well, yes. She trained in Japan and spent some time in France before embarking on the Hidden Symbol investigation. And then there’s probably German and Urdu and Punjabi, with more than a smattering of Arabic, and of course she is fluent in Spanish.

I must put those early episodes up on the Substack.

Gosie is fluent in Esperanto.

DeanElderberry · 31/07/2026 19:53

Boiledbeetle · 31/07/2026 18:33

Have any of the gerbils actually admitted to being the mum of Gubbins? I know Gubbins said today that her mum was the catering manager, but we have a different one every day, and young gerbils are not known for being correct on these matters anyway.

oh dear, was poor little Gubbins one of the Shameful Bundle gerbilettes? We never did get them fully sorted out. Sweet, but a little lacking in proper parental care.

The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which Gosie returns to the trail
The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which Gosie returns to the trail
Boiledbeetle · 31/07/2026 19:53

Boiledbeetle · 31/07/2026 19:52

Gosie is fluent in Esperanto.

And Klingon.

Boiledbeetle · 31/07/2026 19:55

DeanElderberry · 31/07/2026 19:53

oh dear, was poor little Gubbins one of the Shameful Bundle gerbilettes? We never did get them fully sorted out. Sweet, but a little lacking in proper parental care.

I think so, I do wonder given the general state of her and the fact she never seems to go to bed when the rest of the youngsters do whether she's actually bringing herself up?

Boiledbeetle · 31/07/2026 19:57

Boiledbeetle · 31/07/2026 19:55

I think so, I do wonder given the general state of her and the fact she never seems to go to bed when the rest of the youngsters do whether she's actually bringing herself up?

Of course it could just be that Gloria is her mother which would explain a lot!

Magpiecomplex · 31/07/2026 20:13

Boiledbeetle · 31/07/2026 19:53

And Klingon.

Aren't we all? Mr Magpie owns a Klingon dictionary.

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Magpiecomplex · 31/07/2026 20:33

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 31/07/2026 19:08

The only thing I remember from school Latin was something about ornamenting the tables with roses, @FuzzyPuffling.

I have adopted a Latin motto for myself - it is one for the Guild of Knitters, Crocheters and Yarn crafters - Favete Linguis - Ego Numero! Be quiet - I’m counting!

I like Carpe Jugulum as a motto. Especially since it belongs to the de Magpyr family, which is very fitting.
Not to worry though, I have a Black Ribbon pin.

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AsWithGlad · 31/07/2026 20:54

Most of the Latin I know is from twenty years of singing church anthems. Not particularly useful for everyday conversation.

Super montem excelsum ascende tu almost means ‘Climb up Peak Woo.”

@Boiledbeetle , I am very relieved to see you are well enough to post. I was very concerned that being used as a shuttlecock would result in significant bruising at best.

AngleofRepose · 31/07/2026 21:21

So, Gosie's going to see ChristmasStars...! I expect exciting things are about to be discovered!

Bar gerbils, a small hot chocolate, no marshmallow thanks.

I've been busy "sorting things" today, and "organizing" which does occasionally have to be done. It's been cooler today. Still no rain.

While I've been sorting things, I tried on some clothes that were meant for occasions in the future. Nothing fits. I'm so tired of putting weight on every year. I now officially have nothing to wear to a wedding, and, more importantly, nada suitable for a funeral. Will have to spend some time looking around online tomorrow, I expect.

The Gosie chapter cheered me up a bit. 😻

The only time I ever use Latin now is when I'm reading a history book (which is mainly what I read) or looking up the etymology of a word or place name.

AngleofRepose · 31/07/2026 21:25

Poor Gubbins. I did like her little songs, although they did sound a bit Poor Me, She Who Has a Whole Summer to Get Through. I don't know how all our parents got through it when I was a child. Well, our mothers, because the fathers were all working away all day. We were off school for 3 months!

Boiledbeetle · 31/07/2026 21:35

AsWithGlad · 31/07/2026 20:54

Most of the Latin I know is from twenty years of singing church anthems. Not particularly useful for everyday conversation.

Super montem excelsum ascende tu almost means ‘Climb up Peak Woo.”

@Boiledbeetle , I am very relieved to see you are well enough to post. I was very concerned that being used as a shuttlecock would result in significant bruising at best.

Don't tell Gubbins and Ted, but I deployed my wings. They didn't actually touch me!

Magpiecomplex · 31/07/2026 21:49

FuzzyPuffling · 31/07/2026 19:06

Julia puella parva est.

First line of my school Latin primer. After that, it was lots of soldiers, farmers and wars.

We visited a couple of places associated with King Cogidubnus on holiday. Number one son was quite amused, having spent an inordinate amount of time learning about the guy while studying Latin.

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Boiledbeetle · 31/07/2026 22:35

I've spent the past hour or so worrying about Gubbins' seemingly missing in action mother. At this point I have worked through various scenarios in my head.

The one where both her parents met a terrible end due to a combine harvester when they'd met up for a romantic picnic on their day off was just too awful, plus totally unbelievable as we would have known about it in the pub and the wake would have had to be held half way between us and the Staunch Ally.

It is plausible that she is from the Shameful Bundle gerbilettes and just didn't get assigned a responsible gerbil so bunks in wherever there is a space at night and just calls all the catering managers Mum and they just smile and feed her.

But that's sad as well.

If anyone actually sees her with her mother let me know!

Chickadeeinme · 31/07/2026 22:44

I did not learn Latin at school - it was all modern languages. I seem to have picked up a surprising amount of it along the way though. Like Autolycus I am a snapper-up of unconsidered trifles.

inkymoose · 31/07/2026 23:09

EdithStourton · 30/07/2026 20:35

I think they ended up in Durham Cathedral.

He is very important to camels, what with his name beginning with a C. Hence the pilgrimage.

They're now on their way to the Orkneys.

Oh dear, not "the Orkneys" ...

< pedants corner alert >

Just Orkney, or the Orkney Islands!

Hedgehogforshort · 31/07/2026 23:13

Well i have dashed through this thread. I have been busy on another one of interest to me about as it it ended up male contributors.

I was musing about a staunch alley thread for them but currently cannot be arsed.

i have my second GC overnight and it took a considerable amount of effort to get the little cutie to sleep.

there is a certain level of gratification when this sleep mode is achieved.

Anyway night all

ErrolTheDragon · 31/07/2026 23:59

Hedgehogforshort · 31/07/2026 23:13

Well i have dashed through this thread. I have been busy on another one of interest to me about as it it ended up male contributors.

I was musing about a staunch alley thread for them but currently cannot be arsed.

i have my second GC overnight and it took a considerable amount of effort to get the little cutie to sleep.

there is a certain level of gratification when this sleep mode is achieved.

Anyway night all

If the men (the ones who actually are women’s allies) want to instantiate The Staunch Ally they’re very welcome to but they should do it themselves and then invite us over if they want. (It’d be a bit odd if a pub for feminist allies was male only. If any blokes want a men’s pub they can build it on the Dadsnet topic which afaik tends to be tumbleweed).

ErrolTheDragon · 01/08/2026 00:06

I just about caught up with this evenings thread before midnight. I too was occupied with cleaning before DD visited with a friend - just for bed and breakfast, en route to camping tomorrow in the Lakes with long walks planned. Oh for the energy of youth…
But I did get out along the canal in the afternoon, lovely afternoon sunny but not too hot and I even broke into a trot a few times - not for long, just to get my heart rate a bit more than I can by walking on the flat.

AsWithGlad · 01/08/2026 00:24

Boiledbeetle · 31/07/2026 21:35

Don't tell Gubbins and Ted, but I deployed my wings. They didn't actually touch me!

Relieved sigh. 💐

I can sleep easier tonight.

FuzzyPuffling · 01/08/2026 07:48

I think Rosie could adopt Gubbins. Her furry hugs and peaceful nature would do Gubbins a lot of good.

ChristmasStars · 01/08/2026 08:23

MyrtleLion · 31/07/2026 17:21

Chapter Five - Out in the Fens
In which Gosie finds a workshop…

The workshop was not signposted, which Gosie decided afterwards should have told her something.

She had the name from the Ripon conservation file and found the address in a business registry that listed Fenhurst and Rhys as a conservation partnership established in 1968 and continued by someone called Fenella Burnish. The building itself sat behind a row of poplars on a lane that seemed designed to discourage casual arrival, a long low former agricultural shed with skylights cut into the roof at intervals that suggested someone had thought carefully about north light and nothing else.

Gosie had not made an appointment. This had worked at Durham. It had worked at Ripon. She had begun, somewhere around Wells, to consider herself rather good at simply arriving and being received with the mild professional courtesy that conservation officers seemed to extend to anyone who asked an intelligent question.

The door was answered by a young, harried hamster apprentice holding a clipboard as though it had been issued to her specifically to be held rather than consulted.
“Do you have an appointment?”

“No,” said Gosie. “I was hoping to speak to Fenella Burnish about a restoration she may have worked on.”

“Fenella doesn’t see people without an appointment.”

“I understand. Would it be possible to check whether she has a few minutes.”

“She doesn’t have a few minutes without an appointment.”

There was, Gosie noted, a certain circularity to this that suggested it had been said before, possibly often, possibly to people considerably more insistent than herself.
Behind the apprentice, through a gap in a door that had not been fully closed, Gosie could see part of a long workbench, lead “came” coiled in neat grey loops, a scatter of glass offcuts catching the light in blues and ambers, and a panel clamped upright in a frame, half leaded, the pattern of it obscured by an angle she could not improve without being obviously rude about it.

“I’ve come rather a long way,” said Gosie, which was true, and which she suspected would not help.

It did not help.

“You could write,” said the apprentice, in the tone of someone offering a solution she did not expect to be taken up. “Fenella prefers written enquiries. She finds people at the door disruptive to the work.”

“Does she often get people at the door?”

The apprentice considered this question for slightly longer than the question warranted, which Gosie filed away without comment. “Not really,” she said, in the specific way people say not really when the honest answer is a great deal more complicated than that.

“I only wanted to confirm whether Fenella did some conservation work on a nave window at Ripon Cathedral and possibly a chapter house window at Durham.”

“I couldn’t tell you what Fenella has or hasn’t worked on. That’s confidential, client by client.”

“Even the fact of it?”

“Especially the fact of it.”

Gosie glanced again through the gap in the door. The panel in the frame had a section near the top that was unmistakably new glass, cut clean and bright against the older pieces surrounding it, the lead lines around it precise, recent, the whole business handled with the particular skill that made itself invisible to anyone not specifically looking. She was specifically looking. She had been specifically looking for some months now and had grown reasonably confident in her ability to recognise the signature of care that went into work meant never to be noticed.

She did not ask what the panel was for. She suspected she would not be told, and she suspected further that asking would end the conversation considerably faster than it was already ending on its own.

“Could I leave a card?”

“You can leave a card.”

Gosie left a card. She did not expect it to produce anything and said as much to herself on the way back down the lane, past the poplars, past a gate that had been left slightly open in a way that felt less like carelessness than like a building that had stopped expecting visitors of any kind years ago and had simply never bothered to fix the latch.

She had the name confirmed. Fenhurst and Rhys was Fenella Burnish, working alone or nearly alone, out in the Fens, on glass that arrived and left the workshop without anyone outside it being told what it was or where it was going.

It was not nothing. It was, once again, simply not the answer.

Gosie stood at the end of the lane for a moment, looking back at the low roofline and its careful north facing skylights, and thought that a workshop this quiet, this well hidden, this thoroughly organised around not being asked questions, was either entirely uninteresting or was the most interesting thing she had found since Ripon.
She rather thought it was not the first one.

She took out her notebook. Fenhurst and Rhys, she wrote. Fenella Burnish. Then, because the workbench and the half leaded panel and the offcuts in blues and ambers were still sitting quite clearly in her mind, she sketched what she had seen and wrote underneath: worth watching.

Gosie put the notebook away and walked back towards the car. It was as she began the drive back towards the main drove that she realised where she was.

@ChristmasStars was not far from here. Gosie had been to the old farmhouse before, out beyond a line of wind bent trees with fen water glinting black beyond the fields, and she was fairly sure the workshop lane joined the same road eventually if she went west rather than back the way she’d come.

It seemed, on reflection, worth a detour.

https://myrtlelion.substack.com/p/5-out-in-the-fens

Edited

Yay! Just been catching up!

ChristmasStars · 01/08/2026 08:26

EmpressaurusKitty · 31/07/2026 17:44

Unnskyld! Hvor er pariserhjul og hvor mye koster en billett, takk? All anyone needs for a Norwegian holiday.

I had a Norwegian holiday and didn't see a single Big Wheel. We wuz robbed.

EmpressaurusKitty · 01/08/2026 08:32

ChristmasStars · 01/08/2026 08:26

I had a Norwegian holiday and didn't see a single Big Wheel. We wuz robbed.

🙀
If I don’t see one I’m going to ask Duolingo for my money back.

FuzzyPuffling · 01/08/2026 08:36

I've never been to Norway, but have been on the London Eye a few times.
One is an omission, one underwhelming.

EmpressaurusKitty · 01/08/2026 08:41

I’ve been on the London Eye a couple of times but got a bit bored the second time.

While I loved the Battersea Power Station lift the first time I think, again, once is probably enough.

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