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Trans Women are Real Women and Should Have Access to Women's Spaces

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user08101988 · 27/07/2026 12:32

Started because a thread on Girlguiding was getting too off topic.

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Magpiecomplex · 27/07/2026 16:25

WearyAuldWumman · 27/07/2026 16:19

Oh good grief. I used to sing first soprano, but now I can manage tenor.

I always just put it down to straining my voice in the classroom, but now I realise that I've had a sex change.

The evidence is stacking up against me, it seems. Tenor, hairy, scientist, and I have the finger ratio Aimee refers to as being male too. Damn good thing I have the fruit of my loins sitting next to me, otherwise I'd have no way of knowing what I am!

KatyKan · 27/07/2026 16:26

WearyAuldWumman · 27/07/2026 16:14

I feel in my heart that I'm the Crown Princess of Serbia, but...

I am Hamlet Prince of Denmark. Could we get together?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/07/2026 16:26

Sunnibee · 27/07/2026 16:24

So the answer is yes? Every bit of our anatomy has a uniquely male and female version? And so if there are male brains inside male heads , do they produce male intelligence?

No, just lips and brains on any one of billions of male humans. No “uniquely male brain” You seem a little stuck on this stereotype stuff.

WrongKindOfFeminist · 27/07/2026 16:27

KatyKan · 27/07/2026 16:26

I am Hamlet Prince of Denmark. Could we get together?

A romance! 😍

Taztoy · 27/07/2026 16:27

It’s the same every time.

none of the trans are the actual other sex will ever engage with me.

why do I have less rights than them?

who is it ok for me to “out” myself as disabled and a rape victim but it’s not ok for them?

why does a man’s “internal cognition” matter more than my consent (or lack thereof)?

Brickiscool · 27/07/2026 16:27

Amiiee · 27/07/2026 15:51

The brain is the most important part of the body. I don't think we should dismiss the concept of a soul as well

Hilarious!
My brain can tell me that I like engineering and wearing trousers and hate makeup. But it can't magically change my chromosomes from XX to XY. You can call yourself a man, a woman, a dog, a tree. You can call yourself what ever you like but you cannot change absolute scientific fact as to which sex you are.

Smartiepants79 · 27/07/2026 16:27

user08101988 · 27/07/2026 12:53

They are biological females due to this study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8955456/

Also, if you think stripping down what women are to their body parts, that's what feminists fought against for years. Now women can get jobs, start bank accounts, own property, and so many more things. This is a very regressive view of what women are.

No, that’s not ‘what women are’ that’s what women are capable of achieving.

Having the vote or owning my house is not what defines a woman as a women. Millions of women across the world don’t have these basic rights and yet they are still women.
Similarly millions of men across the world do have these rights and yet are not women!!

Boiledbeetle · 27/07/2026 16:28

Wishesandhorses · 27/07/2026 16:07

I'll chat it through with the fairies at the bottom of my garden and get back to you.

You'll have to be quick, they finish at 16.30. Unless you want to pay them overtime.

Taztoy · 27/07/2026 16:28

Brickiscool · 27/07/2026 16:27

Hilarious!
My brain can tell me that I like engineering and wearing trousers and hate makeup. But it can't magically change my chromosomes from XX to XY. You can call yourself a man, a woman, a dog, a tree. You can call yourself what ever you like but you cannot change absolute scientific fact as to which sex you are.

Tell my rapist the brain was the most important part of my body.

WearyAuldWumman · 27/07/2026 16:28

Magpiecomplex · 27/07/2026 16:25

The evidence is stacking up against me, it seems. Tenor, hairy, scientist, and I have the finger ratio Aimee refers to as being male too. Damn good thing I have the fruit of my loins sitting next to me, otherwise I'd have no way of knowing what I am!

I've become a bit hairier too I don't have the proof of the fruit of my loins. :)

I do have a couple of letters from NHS Fife confirming that my uterine biopsy results came back 'normal'. Will that do?

BeKhakiReader · 27/07/2026 16:29

No. Should not.

my pronouns are fuck and off.

Coatsoff42 · 27/07/2026 16:29

Smartiepants79 · 27/07/2026 16:27

No, that’s not ‘what women are’ that’s what women are capable of achieving.

Having the vote or owning my house is not what defines a woman as a women. Millions of women across the world don’t have these basic rights and yet they are still women.
Similarly millions of men across the world do have these rights and yet are not women!!

What if you don’t have a job or own a house, what sex are you then? I could guess it’s one of the 100 specials genders, but that would be mean.

BlakeCarrington · 27/07/2026 16:29

C’mon Taztoy, keep up. Because they’re MEN, all of em, despite what ra-ra skirt they happen to be wearing. You dont count against that, obvs

Magpiecomplex · 27/07/2026 16:29

WearyAuldWumman · 27/07/2026 16:28

I've become a bit hairier too I don't have the proof of the fruit of my loins. :)

I do have a couple of letters from NHS Fife confirming that my uterine biopsy results came back 'normal'. Will that do?

I'll allow it.

Sunnibee · 27/07/2026 16:29

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/07/2026 16:26

No, just lips and brains on any one of billions of male humans. No “uniquely male brain” You seem a little stuck on this stereotype stuff.

I'm glad you agree that there is no such thing as a male brain 👍🏻.
i am quite concerned about a number of comments to the contrary on this thread.

murasaki · 27/07/2026 16:30

WearyAuldWumman · 27/07/2026 16:23

By soul or by sex?

And you'd allow male murderers into the women's prison estate?

Good point. So Steven Wright, who killed 5 women at a minimum, should be in the female estate?

WearyAuldWumman · 27/07/2026 16:30

KatyKan · 27/07/2026 16:26

I am Hamlet Prince of Denmark. Could we get together?

It depends on how quickly you can make up your mind. Maybe it if you have a good chat with your dad, it'll help you to come to a decision?

Taztoy · 27/07/2026 16:30

The fucking sneaky victim blaming pisses me right off.

im alert. Im ready to hit back (my paraphrase coz it is so fucking offensive I’m not going back to look)

therefore all those of us who fought as fucking hard as we bloody well could and STILL got overpowered? We just aren’t as GOOD. We didn’t try hard enough.

fuck that.

and I’m calling it out.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/07/2026 16:31

Sunnibee · 27/07/2026 16:29

I'm glad you agree that there is no such thing as a male brain 👍🏻.
i am quite concerned about a number of comments to the contrary on this thread.

Edited

Great 👍 now, about your earlier disingenuous comment that the Supreme Court haven’t adjudicated on whether “trans women” are women in terms of women’s spaces?

WearyAuldWumman · 27/07/2026 16:31

Magpiecomplex · 27/07/2026 16:29

I'll allow it.

I thank you.

Those stirrups were not in vain.

EmpressDomesticatednottamed · 27/07/2026 16:31

Sunnibee · 27/07/2026 16:25

So? I'm not? So why are you policing what I'm allowed to say? It's very rude to police women's language don't you know! 🤪

Nobody is policing your language.
You accused women of weaponising pronouns, ergo you did the policing.
Please refrain.

icingonmycupcake · 27/07/2026 16:32

user08101988 · 27/07/2026 12:42

So, trans women are women. I have the evidence too. This is a study done by the NIH looking into the neuro-anatomy of 24 trans women pre-hormone therapy. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8955456/

There are also currently a total of 92 sex offenders who are trans women (this is 0.000135% of the population btw).

CNN did research into bathroom issues in the USA comparing states with inclusive laws vs. bans for trans women. They called various police departments and asked for crime data to do with trans people in the bathrooms that correspond with their perceived gender in both types of state. The conclusion showed that the inclusive law states had significantly lower instances of sexual assault in bathrooms as a whole. In the inclusive law states, many police departments reported 0 crimes.

Flat-Earthers and Anti-Vaxxers (amongst other 'passionate' ideologues) also bombard their detractors with junk science. You're certainly not special in that regard. You try so desperately to mould reality to your ridiculous narrative.

Personally speaking, I think you're all cut from the same cloth and barking mad. 🤪

sanityisamyth · 27/07/2026 16:33

Which thread on girlguiding? The one started in response to the law stating that transwomen are NOT women? I don’t want to share my space with a bloke who has decided his name is now Wendy and wears a dress, especially if he still has a penis.

WearyAuldWumman · 27/07/2026 16:33

BeKhakiReader · 27/07/2026 16:29

No. Should not.

my pronouns are fuck and off.

The best pronouns that I ever heard came from a Third Year pupil in a Scottish secondary. His pal announced that his pronouns were "ze/zim", to which he announced "Aye! And mine are 'yer/maw'!"

Sunnibee · 27/07/2026 16:33

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/07/2026 16:31

Great 👍 now, about your earlier disingenuous comment that the Supreme Court haven’t adjudicated on whether “trans women” are women in terms of women’s spaces?

Haha nice try

I said that the Supreme Court have not adjudicated on whether trans women are women.
which is absolutely correct as per paragraph 2 of the judgement and yet widely misunderstood and weaponised across mumsnet.

https://supremecourt.uk/uploads/uksc_2024_0042_judgment_aea6c48cee.pdf

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