What TRAs or 'gender' advocates and 'gender critical' feminists agree on.

[WrongKindOfFeminist]

Thought it might be useful to find points of commonality.

Ever the optimist! 😊

1. Gender stereotypes can be restrictive and limiting.

SCOTTISH POLLING ON TRANS BATHROOM RULES - DEC 2026

https://x.com/JournalismSEEN/status/2007720165249622410?s=20

https://www.thenational.scot/news/25732632.scotland-poll-finds-huge-generation-split-trans-bathroom-rules/
http://archive.today/gadZW

Scotland poll finds huge generation split on trans bathroom rules

4 January 2026

"In a survey of 1000 Scots, a majority of 55% said trans people should only be allowed to use facilities which align with their biological sex. One-fifth (20%) said people should be able to use the facilities that align with their chosen gender, while 25% said they did not know.

With the don't knows removed, 73% opposed trans people using facilities of their choice, while 27% backed it. However, voters appear split on the issue along generational lines.
Subsamples from the poll show that in all the age groups above 55, support for trans people being allowed to use the facilities that align with their gender is around 7-8%.

For those aged 65-74 and 75 and above, around three-quarters (74% and 73% respectively) believe trans people should have to use facilities that align with their birth sex. This drops to 64% for those aged 55-64, and consistently drops further across every age group.

For the youngest age group polled, people aged 18-29, a plurality support trans people being able to use facilities of their choice (42% against 32% who say they should have to use facilities which align with their birth sex).
The poll also found women are more likely than men to think trans people should use facilities that match the gender they identify as, at 23% compared to 16%."

Meanwhile, those who voted for Reform UK or the Conservatives at the last General Election are more likely to believe trans people should use facilities in line with their biological sex – at 83% and 74% respectively – compared with the SNP (45%) and the Greens (18%). "

and

"Find Out Now surveyed 1000 adults in Scotland between December 11 and 19, 2025."

There are graphs in the links.

If you dont use the term many researchers use to talk about people who arent trans (cis), then it will equally skewer results. This is what I meant about ignoring research that doesnt used your preferred language.

Because otherwise it's a bit like saying that many women believe in horoscopes.

The relevance of the opinion depends on it making some kind of sense.

Your point would have more practical application if you were arguing that e.g. 50% of women are happy to used mixed sex facilities, although you still wouldn't be able to ignore the 50% who aren't.

The original point was that it isn't just "trans women" who believe TWAW, a lot of women do, too. This is what you're attempting to prove to me, that only a tiny minority of women support trans women.

'A March 2026 poll found support for trans people using facilities matching their gender identity had dropped further, to just 20-21% for toilets and 18-19% for changing rooms/showers '

That's pretty clear, isn't it?

It's an ideological term that presupposes identification with a gender so using it will skewer results.

It's a bit like asking somebody whether they will go to heaven or hell without giving a third option for people who believe in neither.

The fact that women who believe TWAW exist in large numbers is totally irrelevant to my personal views. It still remains that many of the people you will be arguing about what "women" think on this matter will be women who disagree with you.

Nobody said that.

You are the one that made the claim of it being 50/50.

Everyone else has said it's a minority who support men using women's facilities if they say they're a woman.

The stats/data/polls show around 20% of women support men using women's facilities if they say they're a woman.

No, it's a term people who are in this field use to describe non-trans people. Ignoring peer reviewed research that uses it is anti-academic.

Okay. I'm glad to see you're walking back from the daft figures of 50% you claimed earlier.

Yeah I said it is roughly 50/50. If you stand up in a public space and ask, roughly half the women there will be against your views. Women with boobs and wombs and who have experienced sexism like you have will vehemently disagree with you.

No i stand by that it is roughly 50%.

I tend to stick to literature reviews because they collate information from smaller polls.

You are claiming that 20% = 50%?

Okay.

You don't want to use numbers. But you are happy to state 50%.

Yes roughly 50%. About half of women will disagree with you.

What do you mean by literature reviews? Can you link us up?

Or is this what you are calling 'chatgpt'?

Disagree with what?

What is the relevance of using ‘cis’?

Polls of the general population should be avoiding confusing terms such as cis which is misleading and confusing.

(and cis also does not only mean female people when male people who were incorrectly identified as being female at birth have been called ‘cis women’, meaning it is actually a meaningless term used for describing the unique female sex category. )

A literature review is where someone looks at all the literature on a subject and reviews it to see what the whole body of research on the subject says overall.

ChatGPT is perfectly apt at finding information from said reviews and summarising it. It also gives references for the claims it makes so you can see yourself. I'd take time out to do this but I've been at work all day, replying between floors and during drink breaks.

When i am.home this evening and kids are in bed, I'll certainly show you what I found/find

No it isny t confusing or misleading. It just means not trans

So post those papers.

Let’s look at the methodology and the applicability to the general population and not just a self selected group with a bias that is not seen in the general population.

looking forward to reading them.

Disagree that trans women aren't women and/or that they shouldn't be in female spaces and/or that they pose an increased risk to women's safety.

But it doesn’t mean ‘female’ only in the ‘female’ category. It has been used to describe Khelif and Semenya.

Making it inaccurate.

And I don’t believe the wider population understand the term and they certainly don’t understand the limitations of the term.

Me, too.

Also curious what 'literature reviews' will relate.

We have shared the data and numbers. Look forward to seeing what interpretations of this will be presented.