What TRAs or 'gender' advocates and 'gender critical' feminists agree on.

[WrongKindOfFeminist]

Thought it might be useful to find points of commonality.

Ever the optimist! 😊

1. Gender stereotypes can be restrictive and limiting.

But what it is, is hatred/fear/suspicion of female bodies. It's important that this understanding isn't diluted or lost: women and girls need to be able to describe it without ambiguity in order to challenge it.

@Catiette yes! This is the crux of the matter. I'm reminded of Reem Alsalem and her report on Violence Against Women during 59th Session of the Human Rights Council in which she discusses the erasure of sex specific language and categories:

15. In an effort to provide recognition for males who identify as women or girls, many states have denied females their own right to be recognized in law as a distinct, particularly vulnerable group in need of targeted protection as envisaged by international law, including lesbian and bisexual women. The pursuit of neutrality can often lead to a form of blindness to the distinct needs, rights, and vulnerabilities of particular groups. If the category of biological females is erased or fundamentally decoupled from sex-based oppression, that oppression becomes increasingly difficult to identify and, thus, to combat. In sum, we cannot protect what we do not define.

I find Alsalem repugnant with regards to her antisemitism, but in this case, she's absolutely correct.

Who has internalised misogyny?

The women supporting it, sure. But not the men performing women, or the men supporting the ideology. They are simply acting out misogyny.

https://murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/2023/08/07/clarity-matters-how-placating-lobbyists-obscures-public-understanding-of-sex-and-gender/

'We did not expect to find quite how poorly understood these terms are.
Both terms were correctly understood by fewer than two-thirds of those asked. The remaining responses split roughly evenly between those who misunderstood, and those who were not sure.'

2023 poll.

But this assertion is just specious nonsense.

As all the surveys, links, data etc women have posted here show.

But this assertion is just specious nonsense.

The assertion isn't just specious nonsense it's a blatant lie.

Well, yes. I was trying to be diplomatic. 😊

Well, yes. I was trying to be diplomatic.

Why bother? Our FlexibleFriend is not engaging in good faith just repeatedly spouting lies & ignoring the facts that we present.

I do it for my own self, not for the other party.

The flexibe friend could very easily put all the mystery to bed by explaining how a man becomes a woman.

Apparently 50% of all women think this. Yet none can explain it. Including the flexible friend.

Baffling. Why would they keep this apparently common understanding a secret?

The flexibe friend could very easily put all the mystery to bed by explaining how a man becomes a woman.
Apparently 50% of all women think this. Yet none can explain it. Including the flexible friend.
Baffling. Why would they keep this apparently common understanding a secret?

The other burning question that needs to be answered is how can we tell a trans identifying man from an ordinary man.

The other burning question that needs to be answered is how can we tell a trans identifying man from an ordinary man.

The gold lamé clutch bag, apparently.

Or how one would go about suggesting that somebody might be using the wrong toilets if the toilets are segregated by identity and that is a private matter.

Head tilt.

Again, why the fuck are women being asked to expend energy explaining misogyny?

And how the fuck is being stuck on repeat because a person is demanding that female people discuss how misogyny may and may not cause an issue for some male people ? What the fuck does it have to do with the discussion about whether or not a male person should or should not access female single sex provisions?

It has NO bearing on that outcome. The question remains - so what?

If a group of a different stream is feminism wishes to focus on that, good for them. But the fact that other feminists and women and girl’s rights campaigners disagree that it is a commonality pretty much means it is only a commonality to some people meaning … not really a commonality.

Either explain this phenomenon or fuck the fuck off!

Honestly, its been a fucking decade of 'discussions'. If you have no fucking answer to why men can become women then that's on you to resolve.

Not me.

This is not correct in any way in the UK in 2026. It hasn’t been correct for some years. Do you need us to link up more UK polls?

Or shall we just ask Chat GPT a very specific question about the opinions of female respondents in the UK in 2025 or 2026 about whether or not they accept male people with transgender identities in female single sex provisions and list the different provisions?

The thing is with AI, GIGO applies. Ask a poorly formed question and you will recieve an answer that is unreliable.

or … here is a thing. Go and find original source material and fucking look at the data behind whatever is being reported for accuracy and whether it is a legitimate conclusion. Like the rest of us do!

Check the latest polling. There has been a downward trend for the last 8 years in the numbers of people who are comfortable with many of the key “trans rights” demands. The majority of women of all demographic groups don’t want intact males in women’s spaces. That’s very clear.

Yes, of course it is. Anyone who knows anything about this issue knows this.

Even if that claim was true, which it isn’t, that still leaves half who aren’t “fine”. What about them?

Yes that’s really interesting to think about. AI tailoring the results.

Recent polling.

https://sex-matters.org/posts/single-sex-services/new-poll-shows-most-people-prefer-single-sex-toilets-and-changing-rooms/

'The poll shows that most people prefer single-sex facilities over “gender neutral” (mixed-sex) provision. This is a consistent preference that hardly varies across all the situations we asked about, from workplace toilets (78%) to toilets in parks and pubs (81%) to showers and changing rooms at work (86%). '

'Support for trans-identifying people to use the facilities of their choice is low, at 20–21% for toilets and 18–19% for showers and changing rooms. While direct comparison with previous surveys isn’t possible because the question was asked differently, this is significantly lower than in the YouGov poll conducted for Sex Matters in December 2024, before the Supreme Court judgment, where support for men who identified as women to use women’s facilities was 33% for toilets and 27% for changing rooms. '

I just asked AI a very similar question:

“Polling on this has shifted, and different surveys show somewhat different pictures depending on timing and question wording.

Before the UK Supreme Court ruling (April 2025): Some 2024 YouGov polling found women, on balance, supported trans women’s access to toilets (45%-34%) and changing rooms (40%-37%), with women’s support consistently higher than men’s by about thirteen points on average.

(my note - not when they’re asked about men who haven’t had gender reassignment surgery - the proportion unhappy with them using women’s spaces is much higher, happy to get these figures if needed because they’ve been the plurality or majority position since 2018)

After the ruling: The Supreme Court’s April 2025 decision that “woman” under the Equality Act means biological sex marked a turning point. Over half of voters (59%) agreed with that ruling compared with just 17% who disagreed, a pattern consistent across age groups . Following this, resistance to trans women’s access rose to 55% opposed on toilets and 58% opposed on changing rooms among Britons overall , and 55% said allowing trans women into women’s spaces poses a genuine risk of harm to women .

More recent 2026 polling: A March 2026 poll found support for trans people using facilities matching their gender identity had dropped further, to just 20-21% for toilets and 18-19% for changing rooms/showers — notably lower than pre-ruling figures. That same survey found this preference for single-sex spaces held across ages and political affiliations, including among Labour and Green voters and 18-24 year-olds, with women valuing single-sex provision even more than men do”

So in short, every claim @Lexibletheflexible has made is completely ridiculous.

Why do I need to explain how a man becomes a woman to state that many women believe TWAW? What does my views on whether and how a man can become a woman have to do with the fact many women believe TWAW?

Can you explain the connection?

No it isnt. What is ridiculous is to pretend that many of the people who would call you a bigot are women.