So many Irish women murdered in 2026

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More women murdered in Ireland between January and July 2026 than whole of 2025. Sad day for us and a worrying statistic when I think of DD. Another very violent death this week. Theres no answer but I know you all know how I feel.

But what is the point you are making @DeanElderberry? That’s the anecdotal view, mostly historic, of Irish men abroad. Data should have been collected to stand up this view and do something about it.

We’re well aware that domestic violence was relatively commonplace and swept under the rug in Ireland in years gone by, but the profile of the Irish man is evolving with time. Im the mother of a boy, a boy who has been raised to respect women, value their strength, recognise their contributions, treat them as equals and actively call out misogyny and disrespect when he sees it. All of which he does and his close circle is full of wonderful, strong young women.

All of the women I know are raising their sons in the same way. It’s not fair on our young men to be spoken about by politicians and the media as a collective as being toxic, misogynistic etc when we can drill into the data and target that narrative at the specific types of men that warrant it.

The Irish were often viewed as heavy drinkers and more likely to fight amongst themselves. hence the Fighting Irish logo of the Notre Dame team, which reclaimed what was originally an anti Irish slur as a term of pride. But I have never heard of the Irish stereotyped as being a violent threat to women due to cultural attitudes which aren't significantly different than other Western countries.
I agree with you on the social isolation of immigrant women who are victims of abuse.
The Iranian woman in Galway, Masuma Sohrabi, had integrated very well into the local area and would have been a very positive example of how asylum can really help vulnerable people.
She was badly let down by the State, where the act of moving her estranged husband to another location, was more of a box ticking exercise than a real attempt to ensure her safety. She, on the other hand, was left in a very vulnerable situation. She actively sought help, but was let down badly.

@Margesimpsonsbeehive it depends on the time period. Irish emigrants were seen as a threat to American born women in the 1800’s. Their Catholic religion was seen as a threat too, that they were more loyal to the pope than they would be to the laws of the country. Thinking of the do nothing party and the general discourse around Irish emigrants at the time.

In fact if you read articles about Irish emigration at the time, it’s startling how similar the things being said were to what is being said about the people moving here now.

Even in the 1980’s we were since as distinctive culturally within Europe, highly Catholic, traditional, backwards and poor.

All of the women I know are raising their sons in the same way. It’s not fair on our young men to be spoken about by politicians and the media as a collective as being toxic, misogynistic etc when we can drill into the data and target that narrative at the specific types of men that warrant it.

This is such a strange thing to say really. Irish men are likely to make up the bulk of people abusing women purely because they make up the bulk of the population. But you seem keen to over look this. It’s like you want data just so you can vilify all foreigners.

We already know the risk factors of perpetrators of domestic violence. There are lots of studies on this. Women’s aid have made lots of recommendations to lower DV rates. Why aren’t we asking for these recommendations to be put into force instead of asking for data that doesn’t exist.

Well there was a TD who announced that he was Catholic first and Irish only after that so, it was a fair point about some/many Irish people of the time.

Just because we don’t like to admit it now doesn’t mean it was just racist nonsense.

You are taking a quote with truth in it (that Catholicism was central to many irish peoples identity) and then you are stretching to jump to “so Irish people didn’t follow the laws of whatever country they moved to” based on absolutely no evidence at all.

This is exactly what extremist discourse does.

Don't you think that data should exist though? Shouldn't our government be keeping records of who enters the country, where they are from, if they have a criminal past? They are making no attempt to track who is coming in. Do you not think this data is important?

If course there was racism towards the Irish in the 1800s. There was racism towards the Irish in many countries even well into the 20th century.
But, that's the point of this whole thread.
There is no evidence that Irish men were more or less of a threat to American women than any other men in the 1800s
Is there evidence, in 2026, that women,of all nationalities, in Ireland, are at increased risk from men from countries where cultural attitudes towards women do not confirm to Western standards?
I don't know is the answer.
Femicide rates so far this year are concerning which is why I support data collection as proposed by Ken O'Flynn.

Some of the most high profile and horrific crimes in recent years have been committed by male immigrants. The Parnell Square attacks, Ashling Murphy, the Belfast eye gouging and attempted beheading of a hearing impaired man, the beheading of the 2 gay men in Sligo.

But we also have some horrific attacks by Irish people. Scarlett Faulkner being a recent case.

We need accurate data and take it from there.

I am not anti immigration. I 100% appreciate the contribution of the vast majority of immigrants into Ireland who came to work and build a better life. I am proud that Ireland has become a country where this is possible, having sent generations abroad to do similar. But assimilation is essential.

I do object to cases like the Puska family and Riad Bouchaker, who was granted citizenship despite never working or even having the ability to speak English despite living 20 years in Ireland.
Any reasonable person would object to this and should not be shut down for questioning it or accused of racism.

Slightly off topic, but Yousaf Palani, responsible for the beheading of 2 gay men in Sligo, also lived on social welfare as did his parents
No employment record at all in Ireland despite having cash of 375,000 in their house.
But I think Ireland needs to adopt a zero tolerance approach to misogyny and violence towards women by male immigrants. We also need to tackle our own home grown misogyny problem.
But when you have TDs like Ruth Coppinger only speaking of toxic male culture, porn and the manosphere in reagrd to Irish men, but remaining silent on anything that might be supportive of centerist or right wing then we will continue to add to the death toll here in Ireland.

That’s not what I said at all.
Try reading what’s in front of you.

I do not support pointing the finger at all immigrants because of the actions of a minority.

This is often repeated yet isn’t what has been said. No one has claim that ALL immigrants are criminals or benefit scroungers.

The point is that such a huge influx of people, many of whom want to work and better themselves, some of whom have serious cultural incompatibility, some of whom are violent, some of whom wish to take advantage of the generous offers of benefits and accommodation and life in a high trust, low security society is having a negative impact on the locals.

The trouble with allowing in people without necessarily even knowing where they are from is that the nasty violent ones rarely declare themselves on entry. Given that the stats available do show that people from countries where violence is endemic are more likely to be violent themselves, especially when the consequences of being caught are far less than their home countries.

For example, a man convicted of rape in Afghanistan may be executed. He will definitely not be executed in Ireland so there is far less of a deterrent.

But I don’t see how an ethnic breakdown of overall crime figures would solve this.

It would help by demonstrating clearly that immigrant men are no more likely to commit violent against women and girls than the local men.

Publicising data like this would remove the ability to object to their presence on those grounds.

But those in authority know that’s not what the figures would show so they refuse to admit the truth.

There are a number of examples of the truth being withheld from the general public because those in authority are worried that it would be ‘explosive’. Ie people would object if the truth about the extent of the harm being done was made available. The horror of the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs being a case in point.

Can you see that this is unacceptable - to inflict harm on a population, lie about inflicting the harm and then actively prevent people objecting to the harm. That is not the action of a democratic society.

It would help by demonstrating clearly that immigrant men are no more likely to commit violent against women and girls than the local men.
Publicising data like this would remove the ability to object to their presence on those grounds.

Again I’m not clear how this actually helps lower DV.

But I’m not against collecting the stats on crime actually. They don’t have a way to collect them at the moment. But this does nothing for women and girls who are victims of DV.

It’s almost like vilifying foreigners is more important to you than actually lowering DV.

It would help the whole conversation obviously. If these men were the same or less violent than people would feel a lot safer. However, the decision of the authorities NOT to gather and publish their data tells us all we need to know.

In your enthusiasm to dismiss my point and smear me as racist, you appear to have missed the fact that local women do form relationships with immigrant men. Obviously weeding out the extremely violent ones or at least ensuring that there are awareness, education and language programmes to make it very clear to the men that violence against women is not acceptable would surely help? Sadly attitudes like yours are adding to the problem.

Labelling it as racist to admit that men from certain countries are statistically more likely to be violent or rapists, more women will die either through genuine ignorance of the risks or through a misguided effort to ‘prove the racists wrong’.

In England we often see foreign men claiming they didn’t know rape or sexual assault was against the law so some basic education around our laws and consent might also help.

Certainly if they come from countries where it is still legal to rape your wife, some targeted education seems essential don’t you think?

Local women might form relationships with immigrant men, but this year, which is what the thread is about, three Irish women, which is who the thread is about, were murdered, one of them by two other Irish women.

Our rational debate has gone to where all these discussions on line go to. Its like a picklist of options each time
Reference being far right for even daring to duscuss .....tick
Reference being racist for even daring to discuss .....tick
Reference the past with the but look at all the Irish who immigrated for work so its payback time.....tick
Reference all the Irish who are domestic abusers so you cant complain about immigrants who abuse....tick
Reference the catholic church as everything's all their fault.....tick
Reference that you can't point out crime committed by immigrants as you have no data to prove it (while blatantly ignoring theres no data gathered to prove that immigrants dont commit serious crime) .....tick
Reference general misogyny so all men are a problem and at the root of all crime against women.....tick

Oh well early part of discussion was great. I learnt some things i didnt know. I still stand by the focus of the discussion was two points. The number of women murdered by immigrants to date in 2026 should be openly discussed in media as its a worrying trend. Ireland should expand the data gathered for suspects of serious crimes. It made sense not to have broad data when white Irish was the demographic for nearly all criminals. We're not that country anymore and if immigrants dont commit serious crime theres nothing to fear by gathering more data.

But what about the five immigrant women murdered this year?

@DeanElderberry ooh you think you have found another way to derail by finding its a racist right wing focus on irish women or what point are you making???? Our discussion related to all women, we aren't picking one over the other. If you read from the start you'd see the discussion was all women murdered in ireland.

@DeanElderberrywhat is the point you’re trying to make exactly? The loss of any woman’s life on the island of Ireland is a tragedy and should not be happening. For immigrant women, particularly if they are seeking asylum, do we not have a duty of care to these women as well? As already discussed on this thread, Masumeh Manojan was disgustingly let down by Ireland when her Iranian husband allegedly murdered her. Maybe if the Gardai had the data to understand that Iranian men are many more times likely to commit violent crime against women (as is proved in the Danish data) and that their ‘culture’ allows them to treat women like animals, like property, they would have understood that an increased level of protection was required to keep this woman safe. Maybe she would have been spared the brutality she was subjected to.

How can you not see that collecting, analysing and acting this data could help lower DV and violent crime against women?

As I’ve already said upthread, if the data shows that Iranian men, for example, are many multiple times more likely to commit violent crime against a woman (as is the case in Denmark) specialist interventions could be put in place to support those women around them, education as to their rights in this country as a woman, education as to the increased risk of harm these men present, specialist protections for women looking to escape from these men, specialist screening, education and integration procedures for men coming from this country, restrictions on men from these countries entering the state. And that’s just off the top of my head.

How can you not understand that?

The point I'm making is that starting a thread about the murder of Irish women when 5 or the 8 women murdered in Ireland this year were immigrants is weird.

For @DeanElderberry seeing as you can't seem to scroll back through the discussion and see that the threads been discussing all women murdered in ireland right fromthe start. No need to misrepresent the title. Anyhow the reasons we are discussing, the reason for asking for more data and the benefit for us all have been repeated over and over again in the thread so I wont be repeating again as its there for anyone to find if they want to.

As the OP has pointed out, which you’d have known if you bothered to RTFT, she meant this thread to be about women murdered in Ireland and corrected that very early.

And why is it ‘weird’ anyway? I feel like you’re clutching at straws looking for something to derail this thread. If you don’t have intelligent input to offer, just scroll on by.

Thread has run its course. For anyone interested up to page 8 there was different views and information and suggestions.

@DontWantACat and @Kerrygirlie and @honeyrider and others I've probably missed sorry but thanks for the discussion and opinions. See you on another thread some time 😉

Exactly.

The point that PP made is a perfect example of the kind of silo’d thinking often demonstrated by people with those views.

It’s like there is one box for ‘immigrant men’, another box for ‘men who commit domestic violence in Ireland’ and PP regards them as two entirely separate groups with no possible overlap.

It is interesting because as well as leading people to some extremely faulty conclusions, this rigid categorisation is quite dehumanising in that it fails to recognise that each person is a complex individual with likely good points and likely bad points. Yet we are the ones constantly accused of dehumanising refugees when pointing out that some of them are people very incompatible with our relatively peaceful society.

For example, the words ‘asylum seeker’ seem to elicit a kneejerk reaction from some of instant and huge empathy and that person is instantly exonerated from any past or future wrongdoing in their minds.

They don’t seem to be able to recognise that the asylum seeker fleeing violence in his home country might love his mother and be kind to animals but also might have done some terrible things in his home country and can’t speak English and has zero understanding or interest in our laws on rape.

We have Iranian refugees in the UK who are members of the recently proscribed state terrorist organisation the IRGC. They have claimed asylum here and are free to circulate in the general population but they are here to persecute other Iranians fleeing violence from the IRGC. We have accepted a known terrorist from Egypt who went on to rape a woman in London. We have accepted other men who think that homosexuals should be executed and white women are there to be raped. The authorities are doing relatively little to discourage this. When action is taken the so called ‘human rights’ lawyers jump in to prevent deportation.

It is also worthy remembering that every rape and murder committed by a foreign man was preventable. If he wasn’t here, he couldn’t have killed. Obviously we would not propose to ban all immigration but we have to have honest conversations about how to minimise the social impact and deaths being caused. While the government is in complete denial, those conversations are not possible.

We have to get over this ridiculous idealisation of particular men and talk honestly about the impact that mass immigration is having on society. I don’t think anyone can claim we are happier and better off now than we were 20 years ago. Mass immigration is clearly not the whole cause of that but it has contributed to pressure on housing, the NHS and other services and growing social division. All are things that are important to people.

This appears to be a last ditch attempt to stop this topic being discussed.

OP said “More women murdered in Ireland”. That doesn’t exclude any women. What is your reluctance to discuss the men who murdered them?

The Irish government is similarly reluctant.