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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

So many Irish women murdered in 2026

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SmallorBigorBigorSmall · 09/07/2026 00:55

More women murdered in Ireland between January and July 2026 than whole of 2025. Sad day for us and a worrying statistic when I think of DD. Another very violent death this week. Theres no answer but I know you all know how I feel.

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DeanElderberry · 17/07/2026 15:40

Irish people using Irish usernames is utterly normal and non-political. I'm too lazy to change here, though I have used Trom elsewhere.

I can't decide whether Irish broadcasters talking about Andy Burn Ham are being political.

UtopiaPlanitia · 17/07/2026 15:47

Gealach · 16/07/2026 23:54

Where is the evidence for this? Everyone in the Irish health service is working under the same pay grades.

Indian nurses, who make up the bulk of the immigrant nursing workforce get excellent training.

I've been a patient in hospitals here, on wards staffed with Indian nurses and in clinics staffed with Indian and Filipino nurses and I disagree that their standard of training is universally as high/excellent as that of Irish and UK nurses.

I've had some poor treatment from Irish nurses over the decades but that's been the exception in my experience whereas it hasn't been the exception with nurses trained in other countries.

Emilesgran · 17/07/2026 16:29

DeanElderberry · 17/07/2026 15:40

Irish people using Irish usernames is utterly normal and non-political. I'm too lazy to change here, though I have used Trom elsewhere.

I can't decide whether Irish broadcasters talking about Andy Burn Ham are being political.

I think this what happens when posters jump in without reading how a discussion began. I would say that anyone who would support the use of Irish becoming more widespread in Ireland is on a hiding to nothing when they also actively support the presence of families like the Puskas living off the taxpayer in Ireland for decades on the grounds that Ireland needs more migrants.

There’s an apparent contradiction there that at the very least does not deserve instant allegations of having an agenda when someone asks about it.

DeanElderberry · 17/07/2026 16:37

I saw how the discussion began. You don't understand the extent to which Irish words are used in Ireland by people who would not classify themselves as Irish speakers, and you imagined a username expressed a political standpoint that wasn't there.

Emilesgran · 17/07/2026 16:59

DeanElderberry · 17/07/2026 16:37

I saw how the discussion began. You don't understand the extent to which Irish words are used in Ireland by people who would not classify themselves as Irish speakers, and you imagined a username expressed a political standpoint that wasn't there.

I wasn’t the one who asked the question, and I speak Irish. I hate hearing people who translate much of what they say literally from English though, so TBH I don’t use it a lot.

BruachAbhann · 17/07/2026 17:44

SmallorBigorBigorSmall · 17/07/2026 09:03

We got a bit derailed but back to where we started. There can be no disagreeing that broader data to include etnicity, religion is needed for serious crime such as murder or sexual assault and rape so that trends can be seen and our policing and laws and the judiciary can change any way they need to. It would also mean discussions like this are based on real data rather than theory and personal opinions.
The other side to this is that the vast majority of the irish media is unwilling or unable to present anything other than press releases from political parties and NGOs. There's no critical analysis or challenge to the narrative so we have moved from one homogenous catholic way of thinking to another homogenous uncritical way of thinking. Sad really but grateful for the Gript and Aontu and some TDs who challenge the narrative in a small way. I dont always agree with what they stand for but appreciate they dont toe the line.

I completely agree that more data needs to be collected on immigrants and this needs to be made readily available. I have no faith in our government or mainstream media anymore and rely on Independent Ireland, Gript, Aontú and social media to piece together whatever information I can. I think our government is seen, rightly so, as a soft touch by other countries and some people are literally getting away with murder.

Frankly, I find it terrifying that we are not even able to ask questions about unvetted males coming in without accusations of racism or bigotry. Irish people have perfectly valid concerns about this issue but at least more and more people are talking about it now. Thanks for starting the discussion about it OP.

BruachAbhann · 17/07/2026 17:50

Emilesgran · 17/07/2026 16:29

I think this what happens when posters jump in without reading how a discussion began. I would say that anyone who would support the use of Irish becoming more widespread in Ireland is on a hiding to nothing when they also actively support the presence of families like the Puskas living off the taxpayer in Ireland for decades on the grounds that Ireland needs more migrants.

There’s an apparent contradiction there that at the very least does not deserve instant allegations of having an agenda when someone asks about it.

I get where you are coming from. I have read the whole thread. I personally wouldn't ascribe any political motive in general to someone with an Irish username though.

I agree with what I think you're saying, it seems strange to actually have an Irish username and yet take a stance that would seem to support the presence of families like the Puskas in Ireland.

Emilesgran · 17/07/2026 17:52

BruachAbhann · 17/07/2026 17:44

I completely agree that more data needs to be collected on immigrants and this needs to be made readily available. I have no faith in our government or mainstream media anymore and rely on Independent Ireland, Gript, Aontú and social media to piece together whatever information I can. I think our government is seen, rightly so, as a soft touch by other countries and some people are literally getting away with murder.

Frankly, I find it terrifying that we are not even able to ask questions about unvetted males coming in without accusations of racism or bigotry. Irish people have perfectly valid concerns about this issue but at least more and more people are talking about it now. Thanks for starting the discussion about it OP.

I think the problem is that there was a sort of panicky “no debate” reaction by a lot of people in authority, for fear of enabling the far right. But of course that can only work for as long as people accept the word of those authorities, and the only EU country that seems to have got the balance right was Denmark, where a leftwing government began publishing information about crime that included awkward stuff like ethnic origin, with the result that the overall conversation there seems to be less tense and politically divisive than in the UK or Ireland where people were immediately declared to be rightwing bigots for even asking those questions.

Gealach · 17/07/2026 22:00

Using Irish is not political in the republic like it can be seen to be in NI.

My children have Irish names, my dog has an Irish name and they attend Irish speaking schools. I’m neither from a Gaeltacht area nor it is some kind of political position. It’s just valuing the language.

But regardless I’m not defending Puska’s presence in the country. I see now that I made a mistake and he had never worked here and should have been sent home but wasn’t because of a loophole in the system. Which should be dealt with as I support a rules based immigration system.

I do think we need immigration though. From the highly skilled jobs in tech to the health service, to the vital construction industry. At the moment immigration is propping it all up.

It’s wild that people think that 1.2 billion could pay additional salaries to get people to stay. The country is awash with money however the working conditions in the heath service are abysmal. It’s a systems issue… not about salaries .

I support improving the healthcare system, reducing the cost of living and solving the housing crisis. I do not support pointing the finger at all immigrants because of the actions of a minority. The vast majority of immigrants are contributing to the system and are a vital component of the economy.

Emilesgran · 17/07/2026 22:20

Gealach · 17/07/2026 22:00

Using Irish is not political in the republic like it can be seen to be in NI.

My children have Irish names, my dog has an Irish name and they attend Irish speaking schools. I’m neither from a Gaeltacht area nor it is some kind of political position. It’s just valuing the language.

But regardless I’m not defending Puska’s presence in the country. I see now that I made a mistake and he had never worked here and should have been sent home but wasn’t because of a loophole in the system. Which should be dealt with as I support a rules based immigration system.

I do think we need immigration though. From the highly skilled jobs in tech to the health service, to the vital construction industry. At the moment immigration is propping it all up.

It’s wild that people think that 1.2 billion could pay additional salaries to get people to stay. The country is awash with money however the working conditions in the heath service are abysmal. It’s a systems issue… not about salaries .

I support improving the healthcare system, reducing the cost of living and solving the housing crisis. I do not support pointing the finger at all immigrants because of the actions of a minority. The vast majority of immigrants are contributing to the system and are a vital component of the economy.

The vast majority of immigrants are contributing to the system

What’s your evidence for this? As I understand it, the high number of dependents that many low skilled migrants bring means this is not really true. There’s an asylum case in the U.K. where one woman given asylum from Gaza has now been allowed to bring in 18 “dependents” including both her parents, her brother and sister and all their children. None of the adults except her speak English.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2229859/fury-judge-migrant-family-uk-taxpayer/amp

Fury as judge lets migrant family of 18 into UK - 'huge' taxpayer cost | UK | News | Express.co.uk

The family has been granted the right to live in the UK on human rights grounds after fleeing a war-torn home.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2229859/fury-judge-migrant-family-uk-taxpayer/amp

Gealach · 17/07/2026 22:24

@BruachAbhann

I completely agree with you that people should be able to ask questions and share concerns about asylum seekers living in their areas without being accused of racism.

An IPAS Center opened up down the road from me. At first, there were many concerns in the community and there should have been an open forum for these concerns. Because otherwise, and what happened here, was that far right voices entered the picture and gained more support by using misinformation basically wiping up hatred and fear. A fact based open discussion should have happened early on.

Gealach · 17/07/2026 22:38

Emilesgran · 17/07/2026 22:20

The vast majority of immigrants are contributing to the system

What’s your evidence for this? As I understand it, the high number of dependents that many low skilled migrants bring means this is not really true. There’s an asylum case in the U.K. where one woman given asylum from Gaza has now been allowed to bring in 18 “dependents” including both her parents, her brother and sister and all their children. None of the adults except her speak English.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2229859/fury-judge-migrant-family-uk-taxpayer/amp

The ESRI Literature review on the fiscal impacts of immigration is the strongest evidence.

It looked at large data sets over a long period of time. Your looking at one case you read in the express (which isn’t even Irish based)

But humanitarian immigration, like this Gazan family, can’t really be conflated with work based immigration when it comes to fiscal impact. They are two very different things.

We need work based immigration to keep the whole country going. But refugees are given leave to remain for purely humanitarian reasons.

DontWantACat · 17/07/2026 23:13

Gealach · 17/07/2026 22:24

@BruachAbhann

I completely agree with you that people should be able to ask questions and share concerns about asylum seekers living in their areas without being accused of racism.

An IPAS Center opened up down the road from me. At first, there were many concerns in the community and there should have been an open forum for these concerns. Because otherwise, and what happened here, was that far right voices entered the picture and gained more support by using misinformation basically wiping up hatred and fear. A fact based open discussion should have happened early on.

I hate the trope that public outrage around influxes of asylum seekers is due to fear and hatred being whipped up by the far right, or simple lack of communication. Like we’re all too thick to have views of our own, to have fears for our safety and the demographic shifts in our towns and the damage that has culturally, economically, reputationally etc. That we’re not intelligent enough to know the statistics and see with our own eyes what’s happening to our towns and villages.

I live in a tourist town of just over 10,000 people. We’re currently hosting around 3,000 Ukrainian people, 500 asylum seekers. That’s 1 in every 4 people. That’s not to mind the levels of immigration we have on top of that.

The town was known the world over for its warmth of welcome, safety, hospitality, culture. When I was a teen, I’d have no qualms walking home in the early hours by myself taking alleys and shortcuts along the way, now I’d barely walk the main streets after dusk because of the assaults, the catcalling, the grabbing. Tourists come and might not meet an Irish person in their hotels, restaurants etc for the whole of their stay. Town is now full of Turkish barbers, phone repairs, vape shops, Asian spice stores which if you go into as a white person you’re made feel unwelcome.

Europe has made a massive error, forced huge swathes of immigrants on vibrant countries and changed the landscape forever, putting its people at risk. It’s sickening, and you don’t need the far right to tell you that.

SmallorBigorBigorSmall · 17/07/2026 23:26

When threads get derailed like this you gotta wonder is it an accident or on purpose. Either way its worked and what was a reasonable discussion descended into usual mudslinging that doesn't get anyone anywhere. And the irony is that lack of proper data that actually tells us something about crime and our population fuels it. Throw in usual references to far right and poof all logic is gone.

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Gealach · 18/07/2026 00:17

Who is mud slinging.

I’m happy to talk stats and facts. Ireland has experienced a rapid increase in immigration but it hasn’t experienced a corresponding increase in crime. Overall crime data shows a decrease since 2022.

You could also look at prison stats where nationality is recorded. And when you do you’ll see that the percentage of non-Irish citizens in Irish prisons is about the same as the percentage of non-Irish citizens living in Ireland overall.

Has there been an increase in crime in your town? And who are you blaming for this increase specifically- Ukrainians? Other asylum seekers? Or people working in seasonal tourist jobs?

DontWantACat · 18/07/2026 00:36

Gealach · 18/07/2026 00:17

Who is mud slinging.

I’m happy to talk stats and facts. Ireland has experienced a rapid increase in immigration but it hasn’t experienced a corresponding increase in crime. Overall crime data shows a decrease since 2022.

You could also look at prison stats where nationality is recorded. And when you do you’ll see that the percentage of non-Irish citizens in Irish prisons is about the same as the percentage of non-Irish citizens living in Ireland overall.

Has there been an increase in crime in your town? And who are you blaming for this increase specifically- Ukrainians? Other asylum seekers? Or people working in seasonal tourist jobs?

The rates of reported abuse against women has risen steadily every year. Women’s Aid saw the number of contacts increase by 11.5% in 2025 vs 2024, a record high for its services. The Women’s Aid Annual Impact Report 2025, launched in June, revealed that the organisation recorded 62,275 (vs 33,990 in 2022) disclosures of abuse against women and children during 37,790 contacts last year (vs 31k in 2022). Disclosures in 2025 increased by 33% on 2024, which is also a record high.

Just because there has not been an increase in convictions, does not mean there has not been a stark increase in incidents.

honeyrider · 18/07/2026 00:49

The DPP only send a third of reported sex crimes forward to trial. Then you need to take into account how many victims of sexual assault and domestic violence that are not reported.

Gealach · 18/07/2026 01:12

A poster was talking about general crime. But you are specifically now talking about abuse against women and attributing an increase in reports to women’s aid to immigrants? Although we don’t actually know this.

To turn to a the original question. I think it is awful that we have deaths of women every year, usually by the hand of their own partners, in their own homes where we should all be safe. I hope this year is not the start of an upward trend. But I don’t see how an ethnic breakdown of overall crime figures would solve this.

Emilesgran · 18/07/2026 01:23

Gealach · 18/07/2026 00:17

Who is mud slinging.

I’m happy to talk stats and facts. Ireland has experienced a rapid increase in immigration but it hasn’t experienced a corresponding increase in crime. Overall crime data shows a decrease since 2022.

You could also look at prison stats where nationality is recorded. And when you do you’ll see that the percentage of non-Irish citizens in Irish prisons is about the same as the percentage of non-Irish citizens living in Ireland overall.

Has there been an increase in crime in your town? And who are you blaming for this increase specifically- Ukrainians? Other asylum seekers? Or people working in seasonal tourist jobs?

You haven’t talked facts though, you’ve made claims. Not the same thing.
Meanwhile migrant women at Dungavel Migramt detention centre in Scotland are terrified to move around within the centre because of the behaviour of the men towards them:

Male migrants at an immigration removal centre have been caught looking through the windows of women’s bedrooms, a report has found.
Female migrants were so distressed by the behaviour that they had to be provided with staff escorts to move around the centre, according to a report by Charlie Taylor, the chief inspector of prisons.
By contrast, the men were able to move around freely.

The disclosure comes amid concerns over official data showing the number of sex offence convictions of foreign nationals has increased by 62 per cent in four years.
Foreign nationals accounted for one in seven (14.1 per cent) of sexual offence convictions last year, including rapes, according to the Ministry of Justice data, drawn from the Police National Computer.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/14/scotland-male-migrants-looking-in-women-rooms/

Any chance of actual sources for your claims that the migrants coming to Ireland are different?

Migrants

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/migrants/

SmallorBigorBigorSmall · 18/07/2026 05:52

Gealach · 18/07/2026 01:12

A poster was talking about general crime. But you are specifically now talking about abuse against women and attributing an increase in reports to women’s aid to immigrants? Although we don’t actually know this.

To turn to a the original question. I think it is awful that we have deaths of women every year, usually by the hand of their own partners, in their own homes where we should all be safe. I hope this year is not the start of an upward trend. But I don’t see how an ethnic breakdown of overall crime figures would solve this.

Need to draw your attention @Gealach that the discussion is on the feminist board so yes we are focussed on violence against women. You and our government can't ignore the stats for murder of women so far in 2026 that for most of them migrant as prime suspect. Courts will decide outcome but in meantime reports from news tells us this fact. Not formal data from government sources and never will. That's the point of the discussion. Its not anti migrant its simply saying that our data should expand to reflect the changing demographics. No one should have an issue with that.

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DeanElderberry · 18/07/2026 07:36

Five of the eight women murdered by men this year were immigrants themselves.

It isn't just a 'foreigners coming here and murdering us' thing. Being away from a support network increases vulnerability all round.

Emilesgran · 18/07/2026 07:43

DeanElderberry · 18/07/2026 07:36

Five of the eight women murdered by men this year were immigrants themselves.

It isn't just a 'foreigners coming here and murdering us' thing. Being away from a support network increases vulnerability all round.

Do you think Irish people who move abroad as a couple show a similarly increased rate of DV or could it be that these are immigrants from countries where violence against women is commonplace?

DeanElderberry · 18/07/2026 08:00

That was certainly the view of the Irish for many decades. Still there to some extent in the US and Australia, not sure about the UK.

DontWantACat · 18/07/2026 08:26

Gealach · 18/07/2026 01:12

A poster was talking about general crime. But you are specifically now talking about abuse against women and attributing an increase in reports to women’s aid to immigrants? Although we don’t actually know this.

To turn to a the original question. I think it is awful that we have deaths of women every year, usually by the hand of their own partners, in their own homes where we should all be safe. I hope this year is not the start of an upward trend. But I don’t see how an ethnic breakdown of overall crime figures would solve this.

I’m not just now talking about abuse against women, this whole thread has been focused on that topic and the numerous contributions that I have made of verified data demonstrate that men from certain countries are a far greater risk to women by many, many multiples. This is a fact.

Im not attributing the increase in reports to Women’s Aid solely to migrants. You said crime rates had fallen since 2022, I’m using that WA data to point out that while convictions may have fallen since 2022, the incidences of abuse against women has increased exponentially with our population growth, growth driven primarily by migrants. However, this is part of the issue, we can’t attribute the increase to migration… simply because we DON’T COLLECT THE DATA (the major point of contention we’ve discussed on this thread.) Because that would be racist wouldn’t it?

And of course an ethnic breakdown of overall crime figures would help. If we know and can demonstrate with data that men from certain countries and ethnic groupings pose a much higher risk to women, we could restrict their access to this country, we could put additional supports in place for those women in close contact with these men (partners, daughters), we could provide robust screening/education mechanisms for these men that will help identify signs of misogyny or threat to women… we could do something, anything, besides stick our fingers in our collective ear holes and just blame the ‘toxic male culture’ of all men in this country. If we’re comfortable making a distinction by sex to explain a pattern of violence, why do we not go a step further and question what types of men commit these crimes? Because it’s ’right wing’, its ‘bigotry’, its ‘racism’… no, it’s not, its data and statistics and we should not be afraid to point these figures out.

Emilesgran · 18/07/2026 08:40

DeanElderberry · 18/07/2026 08:00

That was certainly the view of the Irish for many decades. Still there to some extent in the US and Australia, not sure about the UK.

Weeell, yes and no. The general view was that the Irish were coming from a place where women were downtrodden and men had an alcohol problem and that was somewhat exacerbated by isolation etc - which was true.

That’s all the more reason to ensure that we only take migrants who are useful to the country. Not the Jozef Puskas or the Palanis (https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/1202/1484350-serial-killers-father-challenges-allowance-decision/)
The Irish in America didn’t go there to live off Jobseeker’s Allowance did they?

Moreover, here we’re talking about a femicide rate among the migrant population in Ireland which is higher than the femicide rate for the whole native population of Ireland. No way were the social problems of the Irish abroad that many times worse than the population they were living among.

Palani's father challenges decision over State allowances

The father of convicted killer Yousef Palani is seeking to challenge the State's decision to stop his jobseeker's and disability allowances, arguing there is no evidence to support an assertion that he engaged in criminal activity.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/1202/1484350-serial-killers-father-challenges-allowance-decision/