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All transwomen are to be moved out of Scottish female prisons today. 🙌🏻

360 replies

sohard · 23/06/2026 12:48

https://x.com/forwomenscot/status/2069385340159225981?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

Scotgov will not appeal and the current transgender policy has been withdrawn. At long bloody last!!

For Women Scotland (@ForWomenScot) on X

Scottish Government will not appeal Lady Ross's ruling on prisons.

https://x.com/forwomenscot/status/2069385340159225981?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

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334bu · 23/06/2026 14:57

Well done FWS💐

wrongthinker · 23/06/2026 14:57

Brilliant news! Well done FWS and everyone who campaigned and talked about this. What a great result.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 23/06/2026 15:07

Great news, England next. 💪👊
We don't have a women's prison in Wales, they're sent over the border to England, I wonder if the Senedd can be held responsible for sending women into danger when they do that?

Well done to all the groups who have campaigned so long and so hard for this, hopefully the one's still doing so in England can take heart with this victory and the UK government can take notice of how the SNP LOST over this.

ArabellaScott · 23/06/2026 15:23

Iamnotalemming · 23/06/2026 12:50

Brilliant news.
Now pay FWS's legal bill, Swinney!

Yes.

ArabellaScott · 23/06/2026 15:24

Brilliant news. Congrats to FWS and a massive thank you for their tenacity.

MarjorieWestriding · 23/06/2026 15:26

Someone asked how many men are in women's prison in Scotland - the BBC article posted up-thread says this: "There were a total of 19 transgender inmates in Scotland's jails at the end of June 2025".

NorthernIrishFeminist · 23/06/2026 15:51

Great news, as well as England next let’s not forget Hydebank Wood in Northern Ireland

HappilyHarriet · 23/06/2026 15:56

Well done FWS!
See Swinney, it’s not that complicated after all.

GenderlessVoid · 23/06/2026 15:57

Wonderful news! I'm absolutely made up.

Massive thanks to FWS and everyone involved in keeping women safe. I am so relieved for the women in prison.

AlexandraLeaving · 23/06/2026 16:35

PersonIrresponsible · 23/06/2026 13:59

The judge in Giggle v Tickle stated that Trans women wear V necks.

This should help narrow down which prisoners need to be transferred.

Damn. I missed that. So I’m actually a trans woman? Will I get special privileges now?!

AlexandraLeaving · 23/06/2026 16:38

More seriously, this is wonderful news. If only we all had not had to waste so much tax payer’s and donors’ money and time establishing common sense.

Alucard55 · 23/06/2026 16:41

AlexandraLeaving · 23/06/2026 16:35

Damn. I missed that. So I’m actually a trans woman? Will I get special privileges now?!

I don't like V necks. I better not commit a crime or the authorities will get confused and send me to the mens prison.

ENGLANDalltheway · 23/06/2026 16:57

Beowulfa · 23/06/2026 12:50

Utterly fucking ridiculous that money and court time had to be wasted on this. Still, it served as a useful Clown Detector for those politicians who actively chose this as a hill to die on.

This.

There is NO PLACE for any biological male in women's spaces. Pop them with their own biological sex, in a separate area.

Clowns took over and at last commen sense and some safeguarding for women is finally returning.

ENGLANDalltheway · 23/06/2026 16:58

Shedmistress · 23/06/2026 13:01

The BBC will be all over this right?

😂

ENGLANDalltheway · 23/06/2026 16:59

Alucard55 · 23/06/2026 13:37

They'll look for the special women with nice lipstick on.

and dangly earrings with swishy hair

PersonIrresponsible · 23/06/2026 17:01

AlexandraLeaving · 23/06/2026 16:35

Damn. I missed that. So I’m actually a trans woman? Will I get special privileges now?!

Yes. You can take a woman to court, anyone who is GC that is, and demand they be re-educated, pay you Aus$20,000, and treat you with the respect you demand*.

And your wishes will be granted 🧚‍♂️🧚‍♀️🧚

*You do need to be in Australia.

Rightsraptor · 23/06/2026 17:32

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 23/06/2026 15:07

Great news, England next. 💪👊
We don't have a women's prison in Wales, they're sent over the border to England, I wonder if the Senedd can be held responsible for sending women into danger when they do that?

Well done to all the groups who have campaigned so long and so hard for this, hopefully the one's still doing so in England can take heart with this victory and the UK government can take notice of how the SNP LOST over this.

I hadn't known that until very recently. We know the damage caused to families when the mother goes to prison and we know it's greater than the damage caused when men go to prison. Yet we hear all the time how they can't build a separate, totally free-standing prison to house males who identify as women because of the terrible journeys etc their families would have to make to visit them. What about the Welsh families enduring awful journeys to see their mother/daughter/wife/sister?

Ah, I forgot - women don't count.

Rightsraptor · 23/06/2026 17:35

Twelve years that policy was in place! Twelve bloody years.

How many women have they damaged in the process?

MarieDeGournay · 23/06/2026 17:51

I notice that there was no comment from a TRA in the BBC report, in the past the last word would be given to them.

It's worth noting that transwomen prisoners are not going to be just 'thrown to the wolves' in men's prisons - Lady Ross's judgment made it clear that the PC of gender reassignment applies to trans-IDing men in men's prisons, and that there are already arrangements in place to protect those PC rights in men's prisons:

[124] There are, of course, means of protecting trans prisoners’ rights which do not involve accommodation in a prison for the opposite biological sex. I have referred already, at paragraphs [7] and [112], to the various forms of special provision set out in the Prisons Guidance. In this context, it can be understood that there are arrangements made allowing a trans prisoner to “live in their affirmed gender” and that, with those measures in place, the respondents respect that trans prisoner’s Article 8 right to a private life.

I'm not making a value judgement on that, I'm just heading off any suggestion that transwomen will be placed in danger in vulnerable situations when they are returned to men's prisons. They won't be.

lcakethereforeIam · 23/06/2026 18:09

Toffeefudgecaramel · 23/06/2026 14:16

This murderer has been held in a women's prison for 10 years. He's in prison for luring a gay man to his home and stabbing him 16 times. After conviction he decided to identify as a woman. He also managed to get his criminal record expunged. He's recently been charged with sexually assaulting a woman at the prison (and I think may now be housed elsewhere, while awaiting trial). Presumably the Scottish Prison Service came to the conclusion that he was not an "unreasonable" danger to the female inmates.
Trans prisoner charged with sexual assault in women's jail - BBC News

He seems to have had a sexual relationship with Nyomi Fee. She was jailed for the murder of the child of the woman she was in a relationship with. The details of the killing even on the relatively sanitised BBC news were extremely harrowing. Both of them were carrying on, cosseted by the SPS paid for by the taxpayer. That's not justice for their victims.

Thank you FWS.

NorthernIrishFeminist · 23/06/2026 18:29

Rightsraptor · 23/06/2026 17:32

I hadn't known that until very recently. We know the damage caused to families when the mother goes to prison and we know it's greater than the damage caused when men go to prison. Yet we hear all the time how they can't build a separate, totally free-standing prison to house males who identify as women because of the terrible journeys etc their families would have to make to visit them. What about the Welsh families enduring awful journeys to see their mother/daughter/wife/sister?

Ah, I forgot - women don't count.

It’s a few years since I remember one of the men working on it talk about the prison service building a special wing just for trans identified men at one of the prisons near Lowestoft. I got the impression they weren’t supposed to talk about it. It must be ready by now.

Meadowfinch · 23/06/2026 18:37

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 23/06/2026 13:01

About bloody time.

This. What on earth were they thinking ?

IrnBruAndDietCoke · 23/06/2026 18:40

Really pleased we've made it to page 3 without being derailed by anyone bleating "but what about the menzzzzzzz???"
After the onslaught last week I thought we'd never see the back of them.

KilkennyCats · 23/06/2026 18:42

Toffeefudgecaramel · 23/06/2026 14:16

This murderer has been held in a women's prison for 10 years. He's in prison for luring a gay man to his home and stabbing him 16 times. After conviction he decided to identify as a woman. He also managed to get his criminal record expunged. He's recently been charged with sexually assaulting a woman at the prison (and I think may now be housed elsewhere, while awaiting trial). Presumably the Scottish Prison Service came to the conclusion that he was not an "unreasonable" danger to the female inmates.
Trans prisoner charged with sexual assault in women's jail - BBC News

His criminal record expunged? 😮
Is this how it works for all men suddenly declaring themselves women?!
How in God’s name was this ever allowed to happen?

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