Transgender women will not be prosecuted in the use of women’s single sex facilities

[Theotheruser]

You can support transgender rights or not but the law isn’t itself politics. Transgender women will not be prosecuted in the use of women’s single sex facilities in public in the standard use the facilities was built for.

A standard use is:

• A transgender woman goes into the women’s toilet facilities in a cubicle for the purposes of relieving bodily fluids.
• A transgender woman goes into the women’s changing facilities in a cubicle for the purposes of removing clothing for leisure activities.
• A transgender woman goes into the women’s toilet facilities to protect the transgender women of being attacked or sexually assaulted.

A transgender woman in the standard uses of the women’s facilities are not exposing the users of the single sex facilities.

A transgender woman in the standard uses of the women’s facilities are not exposing child users in the single sex facilities.

A child user using single sex women’s facilities can’t deny other women public access of the facilities the child user believes are transgender.

With official documentation of the new sex will be difficult to disprove the claim of the transgender women being the male sex.

No harassment or sexual offences can be found against the transgender woman in the standard use of the women’s facilities with official documentation of the new sex.

A woman in the women’s single sex facility can be prosecuted for an offence and or removed if the woman is abusing or harassing the other user of being transgender without proof.

A woman recording and sharing publicly the other user without proof of being transgender can prosecuted.

The Supreme Court ruling or EHRC guidance has not changed the law to prosecute transgender women in women’s single sex spaces.

Transgender women have history of official records to support beyond a reasonable doubt the new gender identity. Have protection of gender discrimination.

Prosecution of transgender women is not going to work in the standard uses of the women’s facilities.

A woman can complain to management but unless management decides to take action to resolve the issue no action can be taken against the other user.

If men who think they are women dressed like the vast majority of women we would have no idea that they think they are women. They have to opt for overtly feminine clothes as a way of signalling 'hey I want to be treated as a woman". Well that and the kinky thrills.

Odd when you consider we are told they pass - if they didn't look, sound and even smell male they could just chuck on a pair of jeans and a hoodie/ tshirt and we treat them as women because we would have no idea.

They do have rights. Just not to be in single sex spaces designated for women.

Stop trying to get people to say they don't have rights, we're not biting.

I don't think Pete is his real name either.

^This is a reply to Theotheruser.

Trans women have full employment rights like everyone else. They aren’t women so don’t have the right to use female single sex spaces because they aren’t female

This poster just wants a 'gotcha' to run off to reddit with.

No. Pete uses the mens toilets but Gary can't use them because he is very very afraid of men. Gary thinks Pete is a meanie when actually Pete doesn't care if he has to use the same space as Gary.

Unless Pete finds out Gary is buggering up the plumbing so he can use the womens toilets, then Pete gets very pissed off indeed and all bets are off.

Do you believe transgender reddit would be happy to see me by posting about Gray?

What about Dave?

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Pete can fix the plumbing and Gary is back in the disabled toilet. Pete isn’t real it will not happen.

Pete's not a real plumber

I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!

Come on, don't be disingenuous! You were a completely different person from 2-3pm (UK time)! You were posting about how women would never win against trans-identified men, and when I asked you for evidence for your statements, you disappeared. An hour or so later, you reappeared, quoting regulations and sections of law code at us. So I asked you for your evidence again, and you replied "Yes, I love trump. He is the greatest president of the world!" Later, it started up again with the Tales of Gary.

You are either a conglomerate, a bot, or an extremely bored activist. Not buying any of it, mate.

Just so you know @Theotheruser 'Pete the plumber' was used as a hypothetical example during employment tribunals.

Oh he has rights. Just not the ones he wants or the ones your employer is attempting to foist on the women whilst hoping none of the women take them to tribunal for discrimination. They are so worried about discriminating against Gary that they are discriminating against ALL the women.

Dave just wants to know who keeps nicking the full industrial sizes toilet rolls from the bogs.

That's a Lear.

I'm a fanfic writer. I think the story of Pete the macho plumber, and Gary the soft trans woman who is afraid to use the men's, who meet over Gary's repeated sabotage of the disabled's toilets, could find its public!

I hope MN don’t delete this thread though it’s been quite entertaining.

Lovely and helpful as you all are I really need to find something more exciting to do on a Saturday evening

Let you know. In my local area more women are getting into the trades. They do a better at jobs and are cheaper and more honest and reliable.

It’s gotten me through a nasty gallbladder attack. So I can only thank OP for that.

Can I ask that you include a beetle infestation in the disabled toilets at which point everyone discovers I don't actually live in deepest darkest Peru but in Hayes Travel's toilets in Rotherhithe

Ouch.

Sending virtual painkillers your way

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Never mind, I've saved all the best bits from this afternoon when our poster-of-many-sides was spouting off invective about the uselessness of women insisting on our rights. I imagine he/they hadn't got our measure yet, and tried to change tack later on.

They'd certainly be happy if you coaxed some into into saying transgender people have no rights. As that what's they believe we think and they want receipts, despite it not being true at all.

But you already know that.