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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rowling Makes a Stand

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JadeLeader · Today 01:06

Ok, so I know the educated classes hate us and our Dear Leader, but she's really not doing herself any favours here...

Rowling Makes a Stand
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JuliettaCaeser · Today 08:51

Most of us can’t follow all this nazi references we just don’t want men in women’s spaces and jk Rowling is sorting this for the rest of us. So all good.

TheKeatingFive · Today 08:53

Imdunfer · Today 08:16

Can I ask the trans warriors on this thread, does it shore up your determination to make other people believe you have become a woman to come onto a predominantly female forum insulting the genuine article?

Because, you know, that's actually a pretty masculine thing to do, invade and attack.

This is the thing that cracks me up.

Why is it that the men who proclaim to be women always behave themselves in the most male coded way possible?

The irony is off the charts

MonetsLilac · Today 08:54

TheKeatingFive · Today 08:53

This is the thing that cracks me up.

Why is it that the men who proclaim to be women always behave themselves in the most male coded way possible?

The irony is off the charts

Always, and they never see it.

EdithStourton · Today 08:55

Is it the school holidays yet?

MonetsLilac · Today 08:59

EdithStourton · Today 08:55

Is it the school holidays yet?

I don't know, but they could get accessible information about Stalingrad from several KS3 books.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · Today 09:03

Don’t fall for the deliberate trolling.

(fan of Rowling as I am I don’t think this is a good analogy anyway as both sides of the battle of Stalingrad were objectively evil. Stalin killed more people than Hitler using just as horrible methods after all)

DustyWindowsills · Today 09:04

MonetsLilac · Today 08:59

I don't know, but they could get accessible information about Stalingrad from several KS3 books.

I could offer a loan of the excellent textbook that got me through O-level History (20th century). It's even got cartoons.

SadTimesInFife · Today 09:07

Tooobvious · Today 04:51

"The Battle of Stalingrad (August 1942–February 1943) was a brutal World War II campaign where the Soviet Union successfully defended its city against invading Nazi forces. It is widely considered the pivotal turning point of the war in Europe, halting Germany's eastern advance and marking the beginning of the end for Hitler's regime."

The Nazis lost. In JKR's analogy the TERFs are the Soviet Union, resisting the attacks of the Nazis, and will eventually triumph just as the people of Stalingrad did in the battle.

Thank you.
I'd read Antony Beevor's book about it, but would rather not compare myself to the Red Army!

Have you read A Woman in Berlin, by Marta Hillers/Anonymous?

MonetsLilac · Today 09:07

DustyWindowsills · Today 09:04

I could offer a loan of the excellent textbook that got me through O-level History (20th century). It's even got cartoons.

Even better!

Theeyeballsinthesky · Today 09:08

CrashBash · Today 08:35

They’re just so stupid aren’t they?

This is the thing that boils my piss more than anything

even when Bundle used to visit us (robin moira white) even he, clearly a very intelligent man had nothing to back up his arguments beyond a huge word salad of "but it's what I want"

these men have nothing beyond "but I want it" and throwing tantrums when they don't get their way. There's no science, no logic, no proof, nothing at all - and yet they are the ones that got listened to over actual fucking reality

DustyWindowsills · Today 09:10

SadTimesInFife · Today 09:07

Thank you.
I'd read Antony Beevor's book about it, but would rather not compare myself to the Red Army!

Have you read A Woman in Berlin, by Marta Hillers/Anonymous?

A Woman in Berlin is a brilliant book.

SadTimesInFife · Today 09:13

DustyWindowsills · Today 09:10

A Woman in Berlin is a brilliant book.

Harrowing

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · Today 09:14

EmilyinEverton · Today 04:22

But you haven't won yet but assume you will just like the Nazi aggressors assumed they would.

Didn’t you know?

We have truth, and truth always wins so…

It’s just a matter of time really.

1984Now · Today 09:18

Theeyeballsinthesky · Today 09:08

This is the thing that boils my piss more than anything

even when Bundle used to visit us (robin moira white) even he, clearly a very intelligent man had nothing to back up his arguments beyond a huge word salad of "but it's what I want"

these men have nothing beyond "but I want it" and throwing tantrums when they don't get their way. There's no science, no logic, no proof, nothing at all - and yet they are the ones that got listened to over actual fucking reality

It's why transgenderism is one of the ultimate expressions of neo liberalism and consumer culture.
Who in the 90s, when asked if they objected to cheap stuff like Nikes etc that flooded the market as we shifted manufacturing to the developing world, didn't say "No objection, I just want them"
What greater expression of consumer choice than changing sex, and showing off your new gender to be cooed at by your wider circle?
Any women that object are just jealous bitches that can't stand their new shoes.

BiologicalRobot · Today 09:20

teawamutu · Today 07:58

Jeez. You check in with MN after a lovely sleep, only to discover that someone <glares pointedly over spectacles> has been feeding 50ps into the dickhead machine.

And posts like this are the only reason why I read stupid threads started by uneducated idiots.

Oh Emily < sighs > as your side have been historically so fond of saying - please educate yourself.

BunnyBunbunbun · Today 09:22

EmilyinEverton · Today 02:19

And let's not forget the Nazis systematically destroyed the world's first extensive body of transgender medical research and gender-affirming healthcare.

"In a calculated campaign, Nazi stormtroopers looted and burned the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft (Institute for Sexual Science) in Berlin. Directed by pioneering sexologist Magnus Hirschfeld, the institute was a global hub for early transgender care, where doctors provided hormone therapies and performed early gender-affirming surgeries. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7]
The Nazis carted off and burned tens of thousands of books, patient case histories, and research notes, severely crippling the global scientific understanding of transgender identities for decades. Along with destroying the research, the regime deported transgender individuals to concentration camps, subjecting them to extreme abuse, forced castration, and medical experimentation"

And just think about, JK Rowling like all other GC thought leaders has no expertise in the medical or psychological professions & has positioned herself as authority over them to be "taken down" in a 'war'. Even the much politicised Cass report acknowledged trans people exist.

The self important megalomania is breathtaking .

Edited

Another complete rewriting of history. The Nazis closed down the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft and burned Magnus Hirschfeld's books for several reasons, primarily because he was Jewish and homosexual and advocated for homosexual rights at a time when male homosexuality was illegal. That's what most of his work was about but the TRA revisionists want to make you believe that the Nazi attacks were because of his fringe medical experiments.

Hirschfeld's medical experiments on people who were probably homosexual but - at a time when homosexuality was widely derided, homosexual people hated and male homosexuality illegal - believed ideas particularly popular back then, such as that homosexual men had a female spirit and homosexual women had a male spirit, were born from the same medical Zeitgeist that produced eugenics.

TheThirteenthFairy · Today 09:25

Oh you silly sausage - JK Rowling is not our leader! /shakes head/

Boiledbeetle · Today 09:28

TheThirteenthFairy · Today 09:25

Oh you silly sausage - JK Rowling is not our leader! /shakes head/

Quite.

We all know our leader is @datun

TheKeatingFive · Today 09:39

Theeyeballsinthesky · Today 09:08

This is the thing that boils my piss more than anything

even when Bundle used to visit us (robin moira white) even he, clearly a very intelligent man had nothing to back up his arguments beyond a huge word salad of "but it's what I want"

these men have nothing beyond "but I want it" and throwing tantrums when they don't get their way. There's no science, no logic, no proof, nothing at all - and yet they are the ones that got listened to over actual fucking reality

Well that's the crux of it, isn't it.

Men's wants.

When dressed up with enough pseudo scientific shit talk, vast swathes of the population couldn't wait to put men's wants ahead of women's rights, needs, consent and dignity.

This is the biggest lesson I've taken from all of this. And a deeply depressing one it is too.

Shortshriftandlethal · Today 09:41

EmilyinEverton · Today 01:38

JK & her delusions of grandeur at it again. First the Suffragettes, then Churchill & now Stalingrad.

Hero complex much?

You have to wonder about her motivations here with this overkill, is this really about women's rights? Or an attempt at long lost relevance again?

The American pharmaceuticals and the gender industry they have spawned are an incredibly powerful force in the U.S.

Shortshriftandlethal · Today 09:43

EmilyinEverton · Today 02:19

And let's not forget the Nazis systematically destroyed the world's first extensive body of transgender medical research and gender-affirming healthcare.

"In a calculated campaign, Nazi stormtroopers looted and burned the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft (Institute for Sexual Science) in Berlin. Directed by pioneering sexologist Magnus Hirschfeld, the institute was a global hub for early transgender care, where doctors provided hormone therapies and performed early gender-affirming surgeries. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7]
The Nazis carted off and burned tens of thousands of books, patient case histories, and research notes, severely crippling the global scientific understanding of transgender identities for decades. Along with destroying the research, the regime deported transgender individuals to concentration camps, subjecting them to extreme abuse, forced castration, and medical experimentation"

And just think about, JK Rowling like all other GC thought leaders has no expertise in the medical or psychological professions & has positioned herself as authority over them to be "taken down" in a 'war'. Even the much politicised Cass report acknowledged trans people exist.

The self important megalomania is breathtaking .

Edited

Jeez! It's just a short comment, typical of anyone posting on twitter. Though the analogy is apt - given the power of big pharma.

TheThirteenthFairy · Today 09:43

Isn't there a coffee table book replete with photographs of Nazis in drag? I'm pretty sure I didn't imagine it - can anyone help identify it?

EmilyinEverton · Today 09:44

ThePM · Today 07:09

Nope, Stalingrad was a place of resistance after years of Nazi/(genderist) attack.

They sustained themselves and then fought back when the external environment which had previously supported the Nazis (genderists in this analogy) rather cooled and turned in favour of Stalingrad.

Anyway, I’m invoking that law about mentioning Nazis on the internet.

Those who support gender identity in society aren’t the victims here at all.

"victims"

"Historically, the Nazi regime violently persecuted LGBTQ+ people, whom they labeled "degenerate" and "socially contagious." The Nazis shut down queer networks, ransacked facilities like the Institute for Sexual Science, and imprisoned tens of thousands of queer individuals in concentration camps, forcing them to wear pink triangles. 1, ]
The Nazi campaign against queer people was rooted in their ideology of racial purity and eugenics. They viewed homosexuality and gender nonconformity as biological corruption, threats to the traditional family structure, and dangers to the Aryan birth rate. 1, 2, "

My word, the similarities with GC ideology is uncanny!

From the Nazis believing they were the victims of degeneracy and social contagion to their obsession with biological supremacy.

Nazi Persecution of Queer People | Pink Triangle Legacies Project

Learn how and why the Nazis targeted queer and trans people in Germany.

https://www.pinktrianglelegacies.org/learn/history

TheKeatingFive · Today 09:45

TheThirteenthFairy · Today 09:43

Isn't there a coffee table book replete with photographs of Nazis in drag? I'm pretty sure I didn't imagine it - can anyone help identify it?

I've certainly seen images like this. Probably just online though.

Seethlaw · Today 09:49

EmilyinEverton · Today 09:44

"victims"

"Historically, the Nazi regime violently persecuted LGBTQ+ people, whom they labeled "degenerate" and "socially contagious." The Nazis shut down queer networks, ransacked facilities like the Institute for Sexual Science, and imprisoned tens of thousands of queer individuals in concentration camps, forcing them to wear pink triangles. 1, ]
The Nazi campaign against queer people was rooted in their ideology of racial purity and eugenics. They viewed homosexuality and gender nonconformity as biological corruption, threats to the traditional family structure, and dangers to the Aryan birth rate. 1, 2, "

My word, the similarities with GC ideology is uncanny!

From the Nazis believing they were the victims of degeneracy and social contagion to their obsession with biological supremacy.

the Nazi regime violently persecuted LGBTQ+ people

Please give examples of GC people being violent towards LGBTQ+ people. And no, saying, "transwomen are men" is not violence; it's just a fact/opinion.

The Nazis shut down queer networks, ransacked facilities like the Institute for Sexual Science, and imprisoned tens of thousands of queer individuals in concentration camps, forcing them to wear pink triangles.

Please give examples of GC people shutting anything down, ransacking anything, imprisoning anyone, or forcing anyone to wear anything.

They viewed homosexuality and gender nonconformity as biological corruption, threats to the traditional family structure

While GC people, on the contrary, view these things as perfectly natural and unproblematic.

So... What's your point, exactly????