Another victory! For Women Scotland v Scottish Ministers in prisons case

[TheNoWord]

It’s just been on the news in Scotland. More to follow….

If the Scottish government are genuinely unable to fulfil the very straightforward instruction - that men go in a men's prison, and women go in a women's prison -how the everloving fuck are they going to manage to run a country?

It may explain some things.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-prison-service-boss-under-37324145

First we had Salmond, then Sturgeon. Now it's Pollock's turn.

Does anyone know the current numbers of people being held in the wrong prisons in England and Wales?

I'm aware we have a huge cohort of trans identifying men in the men's estate but no idea whether we're also enabling them to get into the women's?

No wonder we're kippered.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hmpps-offender-equalities-annual-report-2024-to-2025/hmpps-offender-equalities-annual-report-2024-25--2#transgender-prisoners

As of March 2025:

There were 339 transgender prisoners on the 31st March 2025[footnote 3]
This was an increase on the figure of 295 recorded in 2024.
In addition, there were nine prisoners known to have a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC)
This is down from 10 on 31st March 2024.
Most transgender prisoners reported their biological sex[footnote 4] as Male
There were 276 transgender prisoners (81%) who reported their biological sex as Male and 63 (19%) as Female.
Ten per cent of transgender prisoners were from an Ethnic Minority background
Where ethnicity was known, 10% (32) of the transgender prison population were from an Ethnic Minority background (excluding White ethnic minorities), down from 11% of the transgender population in 2024.
Most transgender prisoners were in the men’s estate
There were 275 transgender prisoners (81%) in the men’s estate and 64 (19%) were in the women’s estate.

Here’s a suggestion guys. Don’t get sent to prison. Sorted.

'Apart from reporting on the overall count, prisoners who have a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) are excluded from any further analysis within this report. This is to ensure compliance with the Gender Recognition Act 2004'

'The figures reported in this bulletin give an estimate of the number of transgender prisoners and are likely to underestimate the true number. This is because some transgender prisoners, both with and without GRCs, may not have declared that they are transgender or had a Local Case Board. Additionally, the prison population is dynamic, meaning prisoners may have entered or left prison outside the time period of the data collection.
Details of the number of transgender prisoners as of 31st March 2025 were provided by equalities representatives in public and private prisons in England and Wales.
Biological Sex and Gender Identity
There were 339 prisoners living in, or presenting in, a gender different from their biological sex and who have had a local case board. Of these, 276 (81%) reported their biological sex as Male and 63 (19%) reported as Female.
When asked about the gender with which the prisoner identified, 247 (73%) identified as Female[footnote 7], 64 (19%) as Male[footnote 8], 18 (5%) as Non-binary[footnote 9] and 10 (3%) self-identified in a different way[footnote 10], or did not provide a response.
There were nine prisoners known to have a Gender Recognition Certificate as of 31st March 2025. These prisoners are not included in the transgender prisoner totals presented in this report.
Based on data as at 31st March 2025, there were 3.9 transgender prisoners reported per 1,000 prisoners[footnote 11], an increase from 3.4 per 1,000 on 31st March 2024. The transgender prison population increased by 15% compared with less than 0.1% for the total prison population over the same period.'

'Eighty-two of the 123 public and private prisons (67%) in England and Wales said that they had one or more transgender prisoners on 31st March 2025. Of the 339 transgender prisoners:

• Two hundred and seventy-five (81%) were in men’s establishments. The majority of these (245) self-identified as transgender women (biological sex Male, self-identifies as Female). The remainder self-identified as transgender men (biological sex Female, self-identifies as Male), Non-binary, in a different way, or did not provide a response.
• Sixty-four (19%) were in women’s establishments. The majority of these (61) self-identified as transgender men (biological sex Female, self-identifies as Male). The remainder self-identified as transgender women (biological sex Male, self-identifies as Female), Non-binary, in a different way, or did not provide a response.'

And the 81% seemed to be managing ok.

This would suggest that the remaining 19% will be managed just as well in the men's estate or in specialist units or wings as needed/preferred.

The trouble is that the MoJ seem to be classifying by gender.

We can't actually tell what sex the 19% are, because they may have said they were, 'Non-binary, in a different way, or did not provide a response'.

Data based on gender identity is meaningless.

Plus, prisoners with a GRC are treated as if they actually are the opposite sex.

Just for comparison:

'There are 269 prisoners asserting a transgender identity who do not have a GRC. This is a 17% increase on the figure of 230 in 2022'

From KPSS.

https://kpssinfo.org/prisons-in-england/

'There were 339 transgender prisoners on the 31st March 2025[footnote 3]
This was an increase on the figure of 295 recorded in 2024'

The figure continues to rise.

JK Rowling offers to bank roll class-action lawsuit against SNP Government over 'unlawful' prison policy
JK Rowling called on the First Minister to apologise to female prisoners following the court ruling by Lady Ross

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/jk-rowling-offers-bank-roll-37324678

Sounds simple. But few rapists are convicted. And those few often discover, only as they are handcuffed, that they are suddenly 'trans'.

You could buy a bit of paper declaring you are a king, or that you are a chicken, or a member of the opposite sex. None of those things would be true and ought not to make any difference in how other people treat you. If the government is involved in selling such bits of paper, it is time the government was brought to court.

I thought they disowned criminal gender, as they weren't proper trans, so nothing to worry about, surely! They'll be in the bio sex space they're supposed to be in!

Nothing to see here chaps 😆

https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-end-of-law/

This is really quite depressing and scary.

'The Scottish Government has after all spent years, vast amounts of legislative energy and millions and millions of pounds on its policy of putting male rapists in women’s prisons. It’s clearly still committed to that policy, since it fought this case, despite the fact that it was blindingly obvious in the wake of the Supreme Court judgment that it would lose – yet again – to For Women Scotland'

Time for lawbreakers in public office to be taken to court. Above all, for the mis-use of tax-payers' money.
By analogy, the response must be the same as it would be if any other irrational and unlawful acts were happening because of capture by a religious sect:

Suppose a mass of civil servants and politicians were gripped by a belief that blood transfusion is wrong: They would ban it in NHS services, and try to stop it altogether.

The general public would not at first believe it could be truly happening. Eventually, courts would say the officials and politicians were in the wrong.

But until officials and politicians are held personally liable for offences, and for the court costs and compensations, they will never care at all, never stop wrongdoing, and never stop pouring all the taxpayers' money they can get hold of, into court fights.

'I was locked up with trans prisoner - why I'm delighted at rule change for women's jails'
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/i-locked-up-trans-prisoner-37321986
and https://archive.is/5mtlO

Yep. I think it's time we worked out how to do this.

These people are directly responsible for this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4glne43101o

I wouldn't propose that as an answer. The obvious response would be, "Don't go to prison, women, then you can't get locked up with transwomen."