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Another victory! For Women Scotland v Scottish Ministers in prisons case

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TheNoWord · 19/06/2026 12:04

It’s just been on the news in Scotland. More to follow….

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Wishesandhorses · 25/06/2026 15:53

The judgment appeared to be that in this case, where a prisoner was sufficiently in danger of harming themselves, that a third space would be a potential solution as the issues described throughout prevent the answer being to move the prisoner to the women's estate.

Specialist units would seem really to be the best idea, where provision can be matched to the needs of the specific group and safety can be hopefully much better managed.

I would think however there's a risk of discrimination towards other prisoners in the male estate in not having similar and safer protective units and provisions when in need. Mental health and severe risk of self harm and injury is a major problem in all male prisons and there are other highly vulnerable groups of prisoners; this should be addressed for all of them properly.

SidewaysOtter · 14/08/2026 10:21

Bloody well done - AGAIN - to FWS!

rebax · 14/08/2026 10:26

Wonderful quote from their KC attacking the Scottish Government guidance:

“It’s almost — if I can use Orwellian terms for it — Animal Farm-like. Women good. But men identifying as women better. Or all women are equal, but men identifying as women are more equal than others.”

ArabellaScott · 14/08/2026 10:41

Wishesandhorses · 25/06/2026 15:53

The judgment appeared to be that in this case, where a prisoner was sufficiently in danger of harming themselves, that a third space would be a potential solution as the issues described throughout prevent the answer being to move the prisoner to the women's estate.

Specialist units would seem really to be the best idea, where provision can be matched to the needs of the specific group and safety can be hopefully much better managed.

I would think however there's a risk of discrimination towards other prisoners in the male estate in not having similar and safer protective units and provisions when in need. Mental health and severe risk of self harm and injury is a major problem in all male prisons and there are other highly vulnerable groups of prisoners; this should be addressed for all of them properly.

Is sticking a vulnerable man in with women cheaper than properly supporting him in the male estate?

In Scotland there is a wing for vulnerable males at Saughton. Sex offenders and paedophiles, mostly, is my understanding. At risk from other prisoners, but certainly not necessarily harmless themselves.

SwirlyGates · 14/08/2026 10:42

Is it finally time for the Scottish Government to stop using our tax money to fight us on women's rights?

BiologicalRobot · 14/08/2026 13:08

Thank you for the share token. Those women are amazing 😍

For Women Scotland has won a legal guarantee that rules that allowed trans inmates into women’s jails cannot be revived

hholiday · 14/08/2026 13:22

BiologicalRobot · 14/08/2026 13:08

Thank you for the share token. Those women are amazing 😍

For Women Scotland has won a legal guarantee that rules that allowed trans inmates into women’s jails cannot be revived

if the cultural elite had their heads screwed on, there’d be a film about these women in the works. Ordinary British women who took on the establishment and won a victory for all women, particularly the most vulnerable. It’d be really successful too, as all those kind of films have been down the years. But the elite are too busy bowing and scraping to men with issues to bother.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/08/2026 13:25

It will happen some day.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/08/2026 23:13

Bump

helderste · 15/08/2026 16:21

This is great news but I do wonder how long ScotsGov are going to keep up their anti-women campaign? It disgusts me that they think it’s alright to force women to pay lawyers to stop their own government from stripping them of their legal rights. I agree, the film will be made in about ten years, along with all the literature and art expressing the rage and fury of women who’ve been watching all the injustices and damage done in the name of this horribly misogynist gender cult.

Redintoothandclaw · 15/08/2026 17:05

hholiday · 14/08/2026 13:22

if the cultural elite had their heads screwed on, there’d be a film about these women in the works. Ordinary British women who took on the establishment and won a victory for all women, particularly the most vulnerable. It’d be really successful too, as all those kind of films have been down the years. But the elite are too busy bowing and scraping to men with issues to bother.

I thought Nick Wallis was considering writing a book about either For Women Scotland or Graham Linehan. His book on the post office scandal was made into a very good TV series. So fingers crossed.

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 15/08/2026 19:47

helderste · 15/08/2026 16:21

This is great news but I do wonder how long ScotsGov are going to keep up their anti-women campaign? It disgusts me that they think it’s alright to force women to pay lawyers to stop their own government from stripping them of their legal rights. I agree, the film will be made in about ten years, along with all the literature and art expressing the rage and fury of women who’ve been watching all the injustices and damage done in the name of this horribly misogynist gender cult.

My guess will be as long as they can continue to use taxpayers' money to fight lawsuits without being sued for that as well.

So, not long?

I cannot get over how firmly- entrenched "women are second-class citizens" is in Scotland (at least, in Government). This is surely NOT how most Scots view women? Not my experience at all.

But, yes, this is good news, thanks OP.

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 15/08/2026 19:48

Redintoothandclaw · 15/08/2026 17:05

I thought Nick Wallis was considering writing a book about either For Women Scotland or Graham Linehan. His book on the post office scandal was made into a very good TV series. So fingers crossed.

There will be a follow-up book on the PO scandal soon, according to Nick's Gender Blog.

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