Another victory! For Women Scotland v Scottish Ministers in prisons case

[TheNoWord]

It’s just been on the news in Scotland. More to follow….

Wasn't there a case earlier this year, a man who was being trained as a prison guard was sacked for saying he wouldn't call a man by female pronouns. He sued but lost. I think it's going to appeal.

One step forward two steps back. a)The cult has re-persuaded the NHS to give 11 year old girls and 12 year old boys drugs to 'change sex'. b) The 'captured' ones in power have clearly resolved that if courts keep saying the law is not exactly what the fetishists/fantasists want it to be, then the law must be ignored until it can be turned into Stonelaw-compliant wording.

Those who ask for 'third' spaces need to ask if anyone has surplus money. If not, who should fund the fetishists and fantasists and flat-earth cult worshippers?
There is no such thing as a flat earth. Therefore no such thing as planet-transing. No such thing as changing sex. Therefore no such thing as trans. Please can everyone stop using the word?

PS Please can everyone stop suggesting fetish cultists use facilities hard faught for and eventually supplied to meet the needs of disabled people?

No, it’s not complex John, it’s perfectly simple. Get on with it. No men in women’s prisons, or women’s anything else.

Amazing. Such strength.

Trying to find it again, I hate the formatting of Reddit threads. If I do, I’ll post the whole comment and a link. He comments a few times on the thread in r/politics but it’s a long thread with multiple threaded replies.

They're out in force tonight in the "other recent thread " so I've shifted over here for a bit of sane discussion.

It's this logical leap that always bothers me because they get from
The SC says that sex in the equality act means this sex assigned at birth BS, ok fine.
But there then doesn't appear to be a coherent logical argument where this then gives the interpretation that 'therefore trans people must be excluded from single sex spaces that don't match their ASAB'
If I were to construct it as a syllogism the logic generally appears to be (as per the usual suspects)
P1: Sex means sex assigned at birth.
P2: Inclusion of a someone assigned male at birth destroys the single-sex character of a service.
C: Therefore trans women/men cannot be included in a women's/men's single-sex service.

wow, what bizarre logic we have, how did we possibly come to that conclusion 🙄

They almost get it, don't they. If they wanted to, or had ever been taught any kind of critical thinking, they could understand. If they wanted to. But they don't. They would rather wither away in their ever-decreasing fantasy bubble.

Thanks @Ereshkigalangcleg I did have a look earlier but couldn't find it

It’s definitely PTD. Check out his bio.

Yeah, but imagine having to take your government to court, what, five times? To get them to concede that women have human rights equal to men.

Yeah, but imagine having to take your government to court, what, five times? To get them to concede that women have human rights equal to men.

https://murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/2026/06/19/mbm-statement-on-fws-v-the-scottish-ministers-judicial-review-of-scottish-prison-service-transgender-prison-policy/

Holy shit O.O !! They are not mincing their words, are they? Wow...

A blaster of a statement and never a truer word spoken.

I'm not sure if I was aware of this on the time. Not part of FWR then so where else would this have been highlighted:

“We strategized that by working intensively with the Scottish Prison Service to support them to include trans women as women on a self-declaration basis within very challenging circumstances, we would be able to ensure that all other public services should be able to do likewise.”
James Morton, Former Scottish Trans Director in ‘Trans Britain’ (2018) ed. C. Burns

I think that that number will rise unfortunately.

'We welcome today’s ruling in the Outer House of the Court of Session that the Scottish Prison Service policy on transgender prisoners is unlawful.

For over a decade the SPS has housed some of Scotland’s most violent men in the women’s prison estate. Taking its lead from activists who ‘strategised’ that securing ‘self-identification’ in prisons would pave the way for similar policies in schools, hospitals and other settings, the SPS decided to treat vulnerable female prisoners as collateral damage.

It should not have taken unpaid women campaigners years to restore centuries-old protections for female prisoners, and to suffer vilification and abuse for doing so.

That Scottish Ministers defended this sexist and regressive policy for so long, and even went to court to do so, leaves a permanent stain on the reputation of every individual politician involved.'

Abso fuckin lutely.

Lady Ross said the guidance was "in conflict with the requirement that prison accommodation be provided separately for men and women" and constituted "a mis-statement of the law".
She said: "In all the circumstances, the prisons guidance is unlawful."

First Minister, John Swinney told BBC Scotland Lady Ross's judgement was complex and the government will take time to consider its implications.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz7502eq5lro

Have we heard this all before? This is Trump level defiance of simply ignoring judgements you don't like.

I have just one question.

How do we know for sure that the men currently in women's prison are being sent back where they belong?

Freedom of Information request.

Indeed.

Honest John is talking pish.

This is Trump level defiance of simply ignoring judgements you don't like.

It's one of the new tactics, isn't it?

The delay changes, obfuscate, plead confusion, argue that it's too difficult, etc., tactic (currently being used in some charitable circles) - and, of course, in political circles and now, apparently, in the prison services.

It’s been referenced a lot. ISTR James Morton was at the We’re Still Here conference (I think also 2018) that an undercover MNer sneaked into and reported on, and boasted about it then.

Didn't JKR offer to support any woman who wished to sue the SPS? There's no excuses now. This could cost the Scottish taxpayer a fortune.