Guardian: weaponised emotional blackmail from 14yo 'trans' athlete

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The Guardian's rearguard action on reality continues. Apparently the problem is not the parents and authorities who conspired to lie to this boy, coddle his delusions, disadvantage all girls around him in the service of his own wishful thinking etc etc etc: it's definitely the people who pointed it out:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

I am prepared to feel a little sorry for the kid, who couldn't have been exposed like this if the useful idiots around him had done their fucking jobs. But the Grauniad can fuck off with the tired 'beee kiiiind' shit as a solution. Been there, binned the t-shirt. We want our shit back.

Jesus, you really are that sexist aren't you?

Tell me, what do these hormones that make a person "really" the opposite do?

I assume (at least I hope!) you don't think they make male people bad at maths and like pink or something equally sexist, so tell me what is the actual, practical difference between a male person who got the boy brain hormone and a male person who got the girl brain hormone?

What is the meaningful observable quality that is different between them such that means the latter is a girl rather than a boy outside his own head as well as inside it?

Coming back to the article: "Opinion is being presented as fact. Disagreement is becoming ridicule. What masquerades as dialogue is amounting to something closer to public shaming."

This could basically be the Guardian's masthead these days.

This is what we're up against 🙄

Oh, BTW @DumpyVictoria I absolutely most (young) trans people are who they say they are.

I just think they are wrong in assuming that who they are has anything to do with actually being the opposite sex.

It's all just their own sexist ideas about what is and is not ok for each sex, projected outwards onto other people.

Obviously the nasty, mean and abusive comments aimed at the author of this article are unacceptable. Civility is always necessary, and abuse is never acceptable. But that isn't relevant to trans issues in particular. It applies everywhere and doesn't alter facts about biology one iota.

The article really annoyed me when I read it earlier. The author isn't female. I don't mind referring to her as 'she' and 'her' if that makes her feel better, but whether you are male or female is determined by chromosomes not feelings.

I wish everyone could feel like the sex they are. I feel sorry for those who don't, and wish I could help. But I can't.

If you have male chromosomes, you shouldn't compete in women only sports. My sympathy towards trans people who feel differently doesn't change that.

Maybe check your history. On these shores we’ve been celebrating the winter solstice and the spring equinox for millennia. Christianity adopted our festivals so we would follow their religion.

But men can marry men now and women can marry women. Women are not shamed for having children without being married and ai don’t have to swear on a bible in court or get married in a church.

And good on you for denying your sisters the right to safety, privacy and dignity, You must be so proud.

The fact that those other genders exist doesn't take away from the existence of AFAB people.

If something exists then it's a material reality and there's proof that it exists, what proof do you have that gender exists.

The data shows 'gender' is an academic construct, it's a framework for an ideology called Queer Theory, it's an intellectual abstract, it doesn't exist in reality. Just because people 'believe' it doesn't make it so. People believe the Earth is flat, but it's been proven not to be.
The word boy is in the Oxford dictionary as well, it's definition is human, adolescent, male, which is what this boy is.

Do you have the faintest idea what this thread is about?

I think "between A levels and Uni" certainly describes a lot of our current crop of new posters 😂

OK, I looked it up. I see that that's a transwoman working at a YMCA pool in America, and the complainant is a ciswoman who doesn't like her being employed in the changing rooms. The worker is saving up for her procedures. There's nothing to say she isn't genuine. If the complainant is against transwomen then of course she would say that the worker was looking at the girls. If there's an agenda, it's harder to take her word for it. I'd need to see CCTV footage of the worker working to make that call.

I'm not denying anyone anything, and Britain follows the Christian calendar and has Christian ways, as I outlined above. The fact that some people practice paganism doesn't mean that we are not, broadly, a Christian society in ways and customs, if not churchgoing and prayer. Why else is everything closed on Christmas Day?

“She” is saving up for a procedure. We’re not told which procedure but it does mean this person has an intact penis. That makes them male.

And I don’t want any man in my changing room, especially if he has a working penis.

"Opinion is being presented as fact. Disagreement is becoming ridicule. What masquerades as dialogue is amounting to something closer to public shaming."

Masquerading is apropos, it is a shame that boys keep stealing girls identity. His sister should have won and would have done if she hadn't of had to compete against a male cheat.

In that case, how about you believe me and the other posters who say we say we are not fucking 'cis'.

I'll ask again, since you seem to have missed the question:

This whole trans thing only works if you
decide "girl" is really a type of mind.

Do you really think that?

That the fundamental defining difference betwen boys and girls, men and women, isn't the fact we simply have different bodies but that we have different types of minds?

So different in fact that this difference overrides the very stark and obvious differences of physical sex such that actually being male or female, with all that comes with it physically and socially especially for those of us who are physically female, is less significant than whether a person thinks like "a boy" or "a girl"?

Because that is where your beliefs go. So please, let's have some clear eyed honesty. Do you believe in different types of mind for men and women, or not?

You also said marriage is between a man and a woman. Not true.
And that “we frown on adultery”, but we don’t ostracise people, or criminalise them for having sex with someone else when they’re married. We actually make them our king.

But this is a diversion from your belief that it’s ok for men to pretend to be women.

If I have to pretend that men are women when they’re not it’s detrimental to me.
I don’t actually have to pretend I believe in God to enjoy Christmas.

If men and women were just the same, you'd see them choosing given interests and careers at the same rates, wouldn't you? But you don't.

cis is in the dictionary for Roman geography and organic chemistry, where it works approriately. It may be there as a record of usage but like other words not in general use, it doesn't mean everyone has to use it, especially when many have said they don't want it used. As is the case with dam-buster Gibson's innocent black lab. So bollocks to the dictionary argument.

And the conversation begins to take a familiar turn…

Something, something associations.

I found something that says she's saving up for top and bottom surgery.

OK, I should have said between two spouses. I was illustrating that in Christian societies we don't allow the man + four women marital configuration that Islam does.

You have to worry about people who not only believe 4 year olds theories, but encourage them to live by them as they grow up.

You think it's detrimental because you don't believe them.

But why would anybody take hormones, expose themselves to complete ridicule and hate by dressing in stereotypically feminine clothes like dresses, heels and skirts - which can look pretty comical on a male body - and in many cases have surgery, if they weren't genuine? Why bring so much complete crap down on their own heads if not genuine?

Men who want to hurt women have ways to do so that are far easier for them, sadly for us.

Do you really think it’s appropriate for a male to be in the female changing rooms with women and girls?

Do you have the first idea about safeguarding?

If boys and girls were all taught exactly the same way ar home and school from birth you could make that comparison. But they aren't, so you can't.
Our science staff weren't allowed to order platinum electrodes, so we learned to lie about the results when we electrolised water.