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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Guardian: weaponised emotional blackmail from 14yo 'trans' athlete

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teawamutu · Yesterday 17:40

The Guardian's rearguard action on reality continues. Apparently the problem is not the parents and authorities who conspired to lie to this boy, coddle his delusions, disadvantage all girls around him in the service of his own wishful thinking etc etc etc: it's definitely the people who pointed it out:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

I am prepared to feel a little sorry for the kid, who couldn't have been exposed like this if the useful idiots around him had done their fucking jobs. But the Grauniad can fuck off with the tired 'beee kiiiind' shit as a solution. Been there, binned the t-shirt. We want our shit back.

I’m a 14-year-old trans athlete. No one should face the vicious attacks I have faced | Lina Haaga

People understand gender differently, and I was taught to respect all ideas. But the vitriol I recently experienced was not a healthy debate

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

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LeungLover · Yesterday 21:10

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:07

You think it's detrimental because you don't believe them.

But why would anybody take hormones, expose themselves to complete ridicule and hate by dressing in stereotypically feminine clothes like dresses, heels and skirts - which can look pretty comical on a male body - and in many cases have surgery, if they weren't genuine? Why bring so much complete crap down on their own heads if not genuine?

Men who want to hurt women have ways to do so that are far easier for them, sadly for us.

A man recently amputated his own legs to satisfy his fetish, popping a few hormone pills and wearing a dress pales in comparison. Some men will go to extreme lengths.

MyrtleLion · Yesterday 21:11

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:02

I found something that says she's saving up for top and bottom surgery.

So “she” has a penis. Probably a working one. I don’t want a working penis in women’s spaces. It’s a hard boundary. I’m allowed to set it.

You are not allowed to breach it on my behalf.

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:11

FlirtsWithRhinos · Yesterday 20:56

I'll ask again, since you seem to have missed the question:

This whole trans thing only works if you
decide "girl" is really a type of mind.

Do you really think that?

That the fundamental defining difference betwen boys and girls, men and women, isn't the fact we simply have different bodies but that we have different types of minds?

So different in fact that this difference overrides the very stark and obvious differences of physical sex such that actually being male or female, with all that comes with it physically and socially especially for those of us who are physically female, is less significant than whether a person thinks like "a boy" or "a girl"?

Because that is where your beliefs go. So please, let's have some clear eyed honesty. Do you believe in different types of mind for men and women, or not?

I don't think it's that simple. There are many, many types of minds. Some are good at maths. Some are good at art. Some are good at both. People are so varied, why is it so hard to believe that someone might, in their mind, really and truly feel that they are the other sex, even if, for most people, there's no conflict between their identity and their body?

Jolenepleasetakeawaymyman · Yesterday 21:12

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 19:54

That's a false equivalence. Your anaconda is not telling you it's a gerbil, is it? It's not saying it has a gerbil's brain inside an anaconda's body and, as a result, knows it's a gerbil despite the anaconda casing.

In the unlikely event that an anaconda told me that it was really a gerbil inside but had the wrong body, I would believe the anaconda. I would get the anaconda an appropriately-sized gerbil wheel and some gerbil friends. That would be the kind and humane way to treat a trans-gerbil, whether you believe the anaconda or not.

HTH

The anaconda would eat the gerbils if left in their enclosure. Oh hold on a minute maybe this is a very good analogy. What might happen if a man is left in a women’s space?

MyrtleLion · Yesterday 21:13

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:04

OK, I should have said between two spouses. I was illustrating that in Christian societies we don't allow the man + four women marital configuration that Islam does.

Which has nothing to do with anything, but shows your prejudice by bringing it up. No one has said we’re forced to agree with any religion except yours - the religion of gender ideology.

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:13

MyrtleLion · Yesterday 21:11

So “she” has a penis. Probably a working one. I don’t want a working penis in women’s spaces. It’s a hard boundary. I’m allowed to set it.

You are not allowed to breach it on my behalf.

It depends what country you're in, doesn't it? In the UK now, trans people have to use the loo or changing room that accords with their sex assigned at birth. In the place where that story took place, that's obviously not the case. Of course I cannot breach the boundary on your behalf. I'm not sure what that means or how I would go about that. The things I'm saying are purely my opinions. I'm aware they carry no weight in law.

Foughties · Yesterday 21:14

My friend thinks the genes from their mum and dad have got mixed up and that's how they end up trans.

Chersfrozenface · Yesterday 21:14

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:11

I don't think it's that simple. There are many, many types of minds. Some are good at maths. Some are good at art. Some are good at both. People are so varied, why is it so hard to believe that someone might, in their mind, really and truly feel that they are the other sex, even if, for most people, there's no conflict between their identity and their body?

They can feel that they are the other sex all they like. But they are not. That is simply a fact.

LeungLover · Yesterday 21:15

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:11

I don't think it's that simple. There are many, many types of minds. Some are good at maths. Some are good at art. Some are good at both. People are so varied, why is it so hard to believe that someone might, in their mind, really and truly feel that they are the other sex, even if, for most people, there's no conflict between their identity and their body?

There are people out there who truly believe they’re Jesus or Napoleon or Cleopatra reincarnated too. Don’t believe them too? If not, why not?

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:15

MyrtleLion · Yesterday 21:13

Which has nothing to do with anything, but shows your prejudice by bringing it up. No one has said we’re forced to agree with any religion except yours - the religion of gender ideology.

You said that you're not forced to follow that ways of God, and I pointed out that you live in a society that does follow them in many ways.

I am not prejudiced against anyone.

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:17

LeungLover · Yesterday 21:15

There are people out there who truly believe they’re Jesus or Napoleon or Cleopatra reincarnated too. Don’t believe them too? If not, why not?

Hmm. Well, I'm not sure I believe in reincarnation, but if I did, someone would have to be them, wouldn't they?

Jolenepleasetakeawaymyman · Yesterday 21:18

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 20:11

Well, if the anaconda is really a gerbil, it wouldn't eat its gerbil friends, would it?

And since we've crossed into the realm of talking animals, the other gerbils and the anaconda would get to know each other as individuals, and the gerbils would realise that the anaconda is, in fact, a gerbil, and they would feel sorry for it because they themselves would hate to have the body of an anaconda when they are really a gerbil. And there would be much more love and understanding in the world than there is now.

😂😂😂

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:19

Jolenepleasetakeawaymyman · Yesterday 21:12

The anaconda would eat the gerbils if left in their enclosure. Oh hold on a minute maybe this is a very good analogy. What might happen if a man is left in a women’s space?

Not at all. If the anaconda was really a gerbil, of course it wouldn't eat gerbils.

Can I just say once again, that the anaconda/gerbil analogy was NOT started by me.

MyrtleLion · Yesterday 21:21

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LeungLover · Yesterday 21:22

Okay, so taking reincarnation out of it, do you believe the people who believe they are Jesus and Napoleon right now in the flesh or is it only the opposite sex that you think people can feel their way into being?

Basically, do you accept that people can be mentally ill and that can lead to them genuinely feeling they’re something they’re not or not? If you do accept that what makes trans identities any different that believing you’re the queen of England or the Holy Ghost?

Comtesse · Yesterday 21:22

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 20:21

I agree that those words are all the dictionary. Why did you pick those?

It’s a mystery!

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:23

SabrinaThwaite · Yesterday 21:08

Do you really think it’s appropriate for a male to be in the female changing rooms with women and girls?

Do you have the first idea about safeguarding?

Of course men shouldn't be in there.

MyrtleLion · Yesterday 21:24

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:13

It depends what country you're in, doesn't it? In the UK now, trans people have to use the loo or changing room that accords with their sex assigned at birth. In the place where that story took place, that's obviously not the case. Of course I cannot breach the boundary on your behalf. I'm not sure what that means or how I would go about that. The things I'm saying are purely my opinions. I'm aware they carry no weight in law.

By saying men who pretend to be women can be in women’s spaces, you break my boundary that says no man can be in a women’s single sex space.

OttersOnAPlane · Yesterday 21:25

I don't know why it's so very hard to believe that sometimes the brain and the body don't match up.

Try consulting Professor Cordelia Fine, award-winning author of Testosterone Rex and Delusions Of Gender for exactly why that is utter bollocks.

Or Professor Lord Robert Winston, if you'd prefer.

The brain and the body cannot fail to "match up" because the brain is part of the body and influenced by everything that happens to the body.

We aren't brains walking in a meat suit.

Menier · Yesterday 21:26

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 20:42

No, because they are criminals.

You do realise that Trans people aren't any different from anyone else right? They can be both criminals and Trans.

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:27

LeungLover · Yesterday 21:22

Okay, so taking reincarnation out of it, do you believe the people who believe they are Jesus and Napoleon right now in the flesh or is it only the opposite sex that you think people can feel their way into being?

Basically, do you accept that people can be mentally ill and that can lead to them genuinely feeling they’re something they’re not or not? If you do accept that what makes trans identities any different that believing you’re the queen of England or the Holy Ghost?

Well, you can't really take reincarnation out of it when the whole reason they believe they are X person is because of reincarnation.

While I would be very surprised if they are the reincarnation of Jesus/Napoleon etc., I can't rule it out completely. I cannot know for certain if reincarnation is real or not. Just like nobody can rule out the existence of God. Or gods.

Yes, I believe people can ne mentally ill enough to believe they are someone else. But that's not actually a belief. It's a fact that people can be mentally ill enough to do that.

Being trans is not a mental illness, though.

MyAmpleSheep · Yesterday 21:28

There are lots of different types of girls and women. Cis, demi-girl, non-binary, and lots of others.

All I can think is that we're going to need a lot of new toilet spaces. A lot.

FrippEnos · Yesterday 21:28

DumpyVictoria

Interesting that trans girls and womwn are trans girls and women because they say so.
Yet women are cis women because you say so.

Its the same hypocritical BS as this "transgirl" just wants to live in peace yet he is taking over girl's sporting events.

Jolenepleasetakeawaymyman · Yesterday 21:28

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:19

Not at all. If the anaconda was really a gerbil, of course it wouldn't eat gerbils.

Can I just say once again, that the anaconda/gerbil analogy was NOT started by me.

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But you have carried it on so well. You made me laugh, love the idea of the anaconda in the gerbil enclosure. Does he get to wear gerbil ears? Also how does he run on the wheel? Are anaconda’s quite big?

Any ways I feel sorry for the kid in the story. No one should write the things online to anyone of any age which are cruel. However his parents should have helped him more at 4 to love himself as he is not want to change himself. He is a boy. He can be an effeminate boy, a boy who wears dresses, takes on female characteristics but he cannot become a girl.

I hope he is able to grow and live a good life and if he wants to live as a woman once an adult fine but understand women’s sports will not be his place.

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:29

Menier · Yesterday 21:26

You do realise that Trans people aren't any different from anyone else right? They can be both criminals and Trans.

To be clear: Convicted rapists should not be locked up with female prisoners, in my view.

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