Dozens of men discuss ignoring single sex space rules

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https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1u1webq/is_anyone_here_actually_going_to_follow_the/

as mentioned in other threads, I really am concerned about compliance. I know it will never be 100% but am concerned about what blatant non compliance may lead to

This would seem to link to the issue of men often saying 'but no one noticed because no woman stood still and screamed 'OMG It's a MAN'.

Point taken. It seems rude, but needs must, so I prescribe screaming. When possible. Considering the size, build, instability and frequent bellowing of phenomentally misogynist and threatening abuse by one local at any woman who stretches his regulation capactiy by breathing too loud in his sight, despite his snazzy skirt, if he's in any enclosed women's space I shall just get the fuck out of there as fast as possible without drawing his ire because he's terrifying. At least though I can now go straight to the desk of wherever and ask for the single sex women's facilities because the bloody scary bloke in there appears to indicate one of us has mistaken that room for the mixed sex facilities.

This is all purely about respecting women to the exact same extent as respecting men with gender identities. And the rage (including a number of quite fantastically stupid women for some reason) at the idea of it.

I don't understand how people are too fucking thick to see this

You have a pretty dim view of transpeople if you think they are not capable of following such basic rules. Everyone knows what their sex is and should choose the facilities or services intended for them.

There should be no men (TW) demanding ‘gynaecological’ care, no men putting themselves forward as female carers, no men in any women’s spaces.

Out of interest, are there any other similar rules and laws that you think transpeople are incapable of following? Do you think they can handle traffic light signals? Or the concept of getting a driving licence before driving?

Not to mention that any rules that let in trans identifying males give all predators plausible deniability. As you say, no need for sneaking in and full licence to loiter.

This would be likely to negate any criminal charges of indecent exposure (so much harder to prove intent to distress) and potentially voyeurism.

I would imagine that was a feature, not a bug.

This is such bollocks (or lack of bollocks). There are so so many rules in society that no one questions that determine who can or cannot access various things. Age is the obvious factor that limits access to various things. People use their eyes daily to assess how old someone might be even when that is a much broader spectrum than sex. The law expects compliance and people will self regulate via use of their in built ability to work out sex. It’s rarely wrong!

How many women have commited crimes since then? We have to share the toilets with them too.

Actually I think their sex is irrelevant. It’s up to them to prove that you were unreasonable in your belief. Whether you were right or wrong doesn’t matter.

You're right, we have to share the toilets with all those women who have raped women 🙄

No chance of getting raped by one though. Silver linings and all that.

If women have crimal patterns similar to men, we have to question why we have female only spaces at all, and men want to use them to avoid abuse from men?

Why do you think we have single sex space to begin with?

I find that type of man really annoying, They’re ‘rules lawyers’ of the mindset that technically correct is the best kind of correct.

I don’t know why ‘Karens’ get all the hate when rules lawyer blokes are ten a penny and have insufferable levels of male entitlement to draw on.

Yeah, or that.

Victorian prudery mostly.

Really? You genuinely think that?

Women's domestic violence centres sex segregated because of Victorian Prudery? 😵‍💫

Wonder if it's the same explanation for the sex crimes of voyeurism and indecent exposure?

One of them said on another Reddit thread that “all trans people have going for them is the uncertainty about the law” (or something)- it benefits them.

Obviously we still have them so that we can tell if we’re male or female. If you’re not sure about your sex, just go for a pee and look at the sign on the door as you leave.

Aye, that’s it.

So not because women wanted them, and still do want them in many parts of the world.

"Women’s public toilets have always been somewhat political, either through moral objections, such as the Victorian ideal of a submissive, house-chained wife, or through the fact that women have campaigned for them. And the politics of women’s toilets is still present today within society: for example, UNESCO recommends single-sex toilets in order to boost women’s access to education. In Mumbai in India, there are fewer toilets for women than for men, and women must also pay more than men to use the facilities. This has led to the ‘Right to Pee’ campaign promoted by Indian feminists."

I'm convinced TRA think women only spaces exist just to affirm men with gender identities.

Plenty of laws "potentially" would require violating additional laws (in respect of GDPR, privacy, assault and battery) in the act of enforcing if 100% enforceability were demanded as a requirement of the law existing.

Want marital rape to remain illegal? In sp1-land that's only a legitimate law if we all sign up to 24 hour bedroom surveillance.

It's exactly the same energy as the men who try to explain to us why our desire not to sleep with them is logically invalid and expect us to feel obliged to drop our knickers.

Too many men believe women's boundaries are just a proposal from which to start negotiations.

Irrelevant.

I'm talking about how weird it is that TRAs like yourself place more weight on one woman being misgendered than on multiple trans women committing offences.

Also irrelevant because (1) the women were already there so no additional risk created, (2) the offending patterns are very different, (3) the physical risk is higher due to male size and strength, (4) the socialisation changes the way women react to the danger.

What it will do though is prevent these men from demanding they have access to single sex female spaces. No longer will they be able to loudly threaten organisations with claims of discrimination or give a long list of demands. Take the NHS as an example who were so confused with how to facilitate trans employees that they ended up walking all over their female employee's rights and protections. The fear of offending a trans identifying employee who had the backing of Stonewall and trade unions was too complicated to get their heads around. Now the law has been clarified this nonsense will thankfully end.