Dozens of men discuss ignoring single sex space rules

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https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1u1webq/is_anyone_here_actually_going_to_follow_the/

as mentioned in other threads, I really am concerned about compliance. I know it will never be 100% but am concerned about what blatant non compliance may lead to

Imagine seducing people in toilets, bleurgh. Perhaps that's worse than men hanging out in the ladies' handing out tampons to women, though it's a close call.

If he was really living as a woman, he wouldn’t be posting shit on a webpage for trans people, because he’d be a woman, and women don’t do that, innit?

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Elizabeth Fry and John Howard would beg leave to differ.

If you don't know who they are, I suggest you find out.

Do you think that polling station officials were checking genitals prior to 1918? And yet they had no problem detecting women attempting to vote.

I welcome the challenge because it is an indicator of women proactively protecting women's spaces.

Same here.

Good grief, where are you getting your one woman from? 😂

Is your one woman Brigitte Macron, the wife of the President of France who has been relentlessly hounded by right-wing figures saying that she is transgender to the extent that she has had to submit medical and photographic evidence to the contrary to sue them? And that's not causing her any harm, no? 🥱

Is your one woman perhaps Michelle Obama or Lady Gaga or Jacinda Arden?

Maybe it's Taylor swift or Madonna or Jamie Lee Curtis, Margot Robbie or Beyoncé?

There are myriad public female figures and private female individuals who are hounded relentlessly with speculation about their sex because of the myopic obsession that seems to bizarrely exist for people who have nothing better to do with their time, and think that this is a worthwhile focus for them. It seems to be a speciality for the gender critical, and with this new law I am sure you will be delighted to put your speciality to good use with the backing of legislation.

The one woman is the MN thread of some time ago that you used as your example. I see you have been googling since.

I promise you no gender critical feminist considers any of the women you mentioned to be anything other than female. You seem to have shofted the goalposts a bit....

I won't disagree that Women in the public eye do attract a load of misogyny, often of their looks.

Ironically, TRAs are often the worst at gender policing women. Have you ever noticed how often the go-to insult for feminist gender critical women is to do with how they look? Very weird.

Maybe you've missed the threads on here about Brigitte Macron then?

Yes. And I spend a lot of time on FWR. Can you link to some please?

Just put her name in the search terms and scroll through the posts. There's probably plenty deleted by Mumsnet now that there's a court case, but you will get the idea

Dear Redditors,

Mumsnet is not and has never been a "women's space". That's why there is a talk topic called "Dadsnet". FWR is not a "women's space", it is to discuss women's rights, including the right of OP's daughter to single-sex changing rooms at school.

We don't want you to transition in the same way that we don't want anorexics to starve themselves or depressed people to commit self-injury.

And yes, we can usually tell sex on sight, even when disguised. Brow ridges don't lie.

Nope, I would like you to back up your assertions please.

I suspect I could be looking for a very very long time trying to find gender critical feminists on FWR suggesting Brigitte Macron is actually a man. I suspect, in fact, that if such posts do exist at all they were posted by people who are not FWR regulars and were strongly disputed.

Ironically, TRAs are often the worst at gender policing women. Have you ever noticed how often the go-to insult for feminist gender critical women is to do with how they look? Very weird.

This. It’s so … revealing?

Men pretending to be women but still can’t stop obsessing about how women look.

Ironically, TRAs are often the worst at gender policing women. Have you ever noticed how often the go-to insult for feminist gender critical women is to do with how they look? Very weird

Yes, I've noticed this. The insults from loud, vocal transwomen throwing insults about various gender critical women's appearance is disgusting. Sharon Davies being a recent victim of it. I'd say the nasty comments about Macron and Obama etc are mainly said by men too.

Toilet behaviour is sexed. That’s why we have single sex toilets.

Talking of Victorians, they liked to design toilets like cottages. That’s where the term cottaging comes from. Most of the ‘cottages’ are now closed as a result.

‘Spending a penny’ was to put a penny in the slot in the toilet door to open it. Urinals were free in an attempt to stop men pissing on buildings.

Buildings have urine deflectors around them -particularly in corners because of men’s behaviour.

When the Sexual Offences Act had a section added for sexual activity in a public toilet, it was actually argued in Parliament that it was discriminatory towards men as try as he might, the MP couldn’t find any examples of 2 women being prosecuted.

The reason cubicles are so tiny is they were based around a man standing up to urinate in them (and also it was to stop 2 people being in the cubicle).

Men building toilet rooms, centre the toilet in a cubicle. This is not useful for women who need the toilet centred after the sanitary bin is in. We need larger cubicles for having to undress and turn round.

100% of voyeurs in prison are men.
100% of teachers, doctors, school staff, and all other professions putting hidden cameras in toilets are men.
100% of rapists in toilets are men.

The only time I got a statistic that possibly could be female was where it was by gender not sex and I could work out it wasn’t female in all but one case which it’s impossible to identify by crime code. But all sexual crime listed by sex was male.

I could go on but these arguments are so daft and boring now.

Oh PLEASE 🙄

Did we have fucking genital inspections before all this absolute lunacy took over? No. Men stayed out of women’s spaces. I’ve never, ever seen a woman in the toilets who wasn’t clearly recognisable as a woman even if she looked masculine.

Stop pretending it’s all so terribly difficult. It isn’t. A man in a dress looks like a man in a dress. We all know one when we see one.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5412886-macrons-to-offer-scientific-court-evidence-to-prove-brigitte-is-a-woman-lawyer-says?page=1

Have a read through some of the posts here

Like the man who says ‘my wife is Glaswegian and will deal with anyone’ whilst he breaks the law and women’s trust. Just goes to show - bullying men will be be bullying men

My eleven year old boy is obviously male. He has hands the size of shovels which are already bigger than mine even though he's not yet taller than me. By comparison I have very dainty hands. He hasn't entered puberty yet. The idea that we can't tell the difference between males and females is fucking ridiculous.

Read first 3 pages or so. So far the thread is 90% feminist women saying the accusation, which seems to come from a specific book, is ridiculous and typical misogyny, plus one poster who believes the conspiracy, and one who doesn't believe it but is angry that women have to prove they are women because they do not look feminine enough. So a lot closer to what I expected that to what you suggested.

It's 20 pages long, so that's as far as I'm going. If it later turned into Gender Critical Feminist women en mass accusing Ms Macron of being a man do feel free to share direct links to the relevant posts.

I just saw a video of Dylan Mulvaney graciously promising never to steal anyone's husband
Hands down one of the funniest things I have ever seen on the Internet (or anywhere else actually.)

The plans to get around places properly respecting female rights are, quite unhinged and don't understand the fundamental legal obligation service providers have

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1u2it9d/unworkable_guidance_and_releasing_the_faceeating/

It's true that the unhinged and uninformed are well represented. But the over all strategy is sound - keep overwhelming service providers, normalise trans presence and intimidate anyone who pushes back. That's, after all, how we got here. It's going to require a long period of pushback to reclaim single sex services and spaces and the EHCR guidance not being sent back is an essential aspect of that.