Dozens of men discuss ignoring single sex space rules

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https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1u1webq/is_anyone_here_actually_going_to_follow_the/

as mentioned in other threads, I really am concerned about compliance. I know it will never be 100% but am concerned about what blatant non compliance may lead to

Female-to-males, but not male-to-females, had a higher risk for criminal convictions than their respective birth sex controls.

From your study

Side-on, please.

I quoted it earlier. And also UK prison stats.

To summarise. And please, actually read it.

The level of violent crime between males and trans-identified males is just the same. That is what the Swedish population evidence found: male-to-female transitioners did not differ significantly from male controls for criminality, including violent crime. They did not show female-pattern offending. They showed male-pattern offending.

But when you look at sexual crime, it is worse. Sexual offending is already almost entirely male: the Ministry of Justice says men account for 98% of sexual offence sentences.

And yet in England and Wales prison data, trans-identified male prisoners are even more heavily concentrated in sexual offending. Of 245 transgender prisoners recorded as legal gender male, meaning males identifying as women, non-binary or gender-fluid, 151 were convicted of a sexual offence. That is about 62%.

Compare that with the general sentenced prison population, where sexual offences are about 22 to 23% of immediate custodial sentences. So this is not a small difference. It is nearly three times higher.

So the point is clear: trans-identified males do not have female-pattern risk. For violence, they look like males. For sexual offending in prison, they are dramatically overrepresented even compared with an offence type that is already overwhelmingly male.

That is why women and girls are not being irrational when they say sex matters in safeguarding, toilets, changing rooms, prisons and other intimate spaces.

Also from above please.

‘In this study, male-to-female individuals had a higher risk for criminal convictions compared to female controls but not compared to male controls. This suggests that the sex reassignment procedure neither increased nor decreased the risk for criminal offending in male-to-females.’ (2011: 6)

I dont think researchers agree with how you are interpreting the data

Irrelevant. The men keep their male patterns of offending.

British prison data indicates that trans-identified men in jail are more likely to be sex offenders. Even if you are unwilling to extrapolate that to the general populace, they still retain their male patterns of offending and should not be in women's spaces.

Lol are you serious?

I am telling you now that i am a pregnant woman so if you really feel like my eyebrows and breats havent told you enough (nobody would buy my boobs!) then you arent very good at this at all.

Anyway, back to the thread topic: nothng quite says "we are safe, law-abiding people who can totally be trusted to behave around half-dressed women and girls" like an entire Reddit thread discussing how to violate legally-mandated single-sex spaces.

I did read it. I just also looked at the peer reviews and what people have said about the study. They have not reached the same conclusions as you?

You know elsewhere, people have commented on how you and another guy in here treat women who disagree with you. They've stated that you and him believe that if a woman disagrees with you, you can essentially treat her like shit and just be the tyoe of.misogynist that men usually are to women. Do you think that is a fair statement? You are cool with women until.they challenge you?

As that person, no it wasn't bullshit.

And indeed your description sounds very like something that does take double the time a wazz at a urinal does just like the study said.

What was useful was to find that your culture (German?) isn't the same as the UK, so your male comparator isn't the same.

As to "explaining", here are a few things you apparently never wear but other women often do include:

Tights
Coats
Scarf
Gloves
A bag that needs to be held out of the way, hung up or somewhere clean to put it
A belt
Trousers that will end up in wet patches when you take them down unless you are holding with one hand
A jumpsuit (that one is a little niche, but very fashionable a couple of years ago)

Do you only pee in your own house or something? 😂

That's a joke BTW. I'm sure you do in reality pee elsewhere. You just didn't think it through properly, and that's ok.

These are statistics from UK prisons, not interpreted data. Please can you interpret the data for us or give a link to any credible studies that use this data to show...whatever it is you are trying to prove.

Wonder where that "elsewhere" is? 😂😂

Can't believe women are still having to argue that men have no place in women's changing rooms, women's sport, showers, hospital wards, toilets etc. So bloody tedious.

Men can also have on scarves and coats and gloves. They even carry bags :-O I dont take off my scarf to pee. I'm not German. I think this "women need to strip down more" was a reach.

It really doesn't matter what sex or race TheHateUGive is.

Keeptoiletssafe posted evidence that females do indeed take longer in the lavs than males. Maybe THUG missed it (what an unfortunate acronym).

However, all of this is an unhelpful tangent made from giant red herrings.

Once again, the blokes still need to use the men's or unisex provisions, and identity or a GRC makes no difference.

Reddit group for mumsnet.

Oh and you don't have to.argue abiut singke sex spaces, I just asked what these extra layers that women wear are. It has nothing to do with what toilets trans people should use. It has to do with clothing.

The study says that trans identified males retain the same pattern of offending as other males. Men commit virtually all sexual offences 98-99 per cent. That's one of the reasons why women have single sex spaces in the first place. 🤷‍♂️ Elizabeth Fry campaigned for sex segregation in prisons in the 1800s leading to The Gaols Act of 1823. Fry's persistent lobbying and evidence-gathering (she became one of the first women to testify before a Parliamentary committee) were a driving force behind this landmark legislation, which mandated sex-segregation in prisons and the provision of female guards. Women need spaces away from men.

LOL, it isnt unfortunate. Do you not know what THUGLIFE is an acronym for?

Did you ever see the recent film?

If you know you are female, you don't need me to confirm it by looking at your gynaecoid brow ridges.

I'm a tad puzzled by the "no one would buy my boobs" comment. Surely you wouldn't want to sell them?

Your quote is discussing trans men (females, who show higher criminality than non-trans females) and trans women (males, who show no higher criminality than other males).

It does not compare trans women with female biological women. But it does say that trans women as a group retain male patterns and levels of criminality despite their transition.

Given we know there are huge differences between male and female tendencies to criminality, the conclusion is obviously that trans women do not magically adopt female patterns of criminal behaviour after transition.

I am asking you to confirm your sexing skills by providing you pics of someone I know the sex of for sure. Me.

My point is that if you're going to get a bomb job, you're not going to go for a late 30s mum of 3 BF kids.

😂😂😂

Caveat: photographs can be modified and Adam's apples can be shaved.

Based on your brow ridges and lack of an Adam's apple, I am pretty confident that you are a woman.

Remember that in real life, we have also gait, limb length, voice, and other stuff that gives the game away.

you're not going to go for a late 30s mum of 3 BF kids.

You'd be amazed at what boobs men want to get... wearmyboobs dot com (not linking properly because the preview image is NSFW) is an eyeopening experience.