Should breast implants for males be made illegal?

[happydappy2]

Having learned more about the sexual desires of males, AGP in particular. I now think that as women we have to push back and stop this madness. We live in a world where females are vulnerable to sexual assault by males-we are literally hunted by them. Combined with the safeguarding of children aspect....all parents I know explain to young children that if you get lost, look for a lady to help you, preferably another Mummy....I know men can wear a padded bra to achieve the look, but still the thought of males getting sexual pleasure by having fake boobs & their male tackle-just seems wrong. Am I alone in thinking this? Looking at society as a whole, I can't see any benefit to women and children of men being allowed to get silicone breast implants.....

Offs…

If men want to pay for this procedure themselves, and they can find someone to do it then it is up to them; but certainly not on the NHS.

Most trans identified males don't gain breasts via implants, but via taking cross sex hormones.

Why not mind your business and leave other adults alone to make their own decisions? It doesn’t actually affect you at all. Why don’t you volunteer at a women’s shelter or baby bank if you want to make a positive impact, instead of punching down at minorities based on entirely fictional scenarios

No. But not on the NHS.

It’s not offered on the NHS anyway 😂

No. If men want them then fine. I don't think the NHS should fund them though

Ah ok. Alls good then!

Certain body modifications are illegal in the UK because they are considered to cause grievous bodily harm. Tongue-splitting, for example. You cannot consent to being severely harmed. But if the castration of healthy testicles, and the flaying and inversion of a healthy penis, and the creation in a healthy man of a stoma in which to insert the inverted penis, and which will have to be manually dilated for the rest of his life to prevent it closing through normal healing are not consisted grevious bodily harm, then I don’t think moob jobs are going to, either.

Only if you make them illegal for women also. If someone wants to pay to have silicone implanted in their body, what harm does that do? Their money, their body.

It would be interesting to see how outlawing a supposed medical procedure based purely on a patients sex would fly in the courts as incompatible with the ECHR ...

Obviously if all cosmetic surgery were banned for everyone then that risk would not arise.

Thinking ahead ....

It only affects everyone else if everyone else has to pay for it.

Anyone may and should be allowed to pay for whatever they want to do to their own bodies that they think will make them look good: trout pouts, bum lifts, fake boobs, botox, whatever. You want to look special in your own eyes, you pay for it, just as you pay for your own clothing or haircuts. Well, apart from things which unexpectedly cause harms the NHS then has to deal with, I suppose: silicone tit-augmentation, or cosmetic face-surgery, can go horribly and dramatically wrong and need urgent treatment by the NHS, but that's the exception rather than the rule (or at least I do hope it is).

If one self-elected change to a person's body is made illegal, there will be arguments for others to be as well: tattoos, perhaps. Bad precedent.

if people go private? i have no issue with anyone having body modifications

There are caveats: such as they must sign documentation to say that they acknowledge that it is body modification and doesn't change their sex/species.

oh the hyperbole - it hurts us.
This is a post asking for opinions. Not genocide.

Women punching down on men 🤔

This completely misses the main argument about the conflict between women's rights and trans rights.

The issue with trans rights is when it comes into conflict with the rights of everyone else, mainly women's rights in regards to sex-segregation (changing rooms, women's sports etc), then more generic rights with enforced language (pronouns etc).

A man getting breast implants isn't impacting the rights of others. But a man claiming a female identity (and implants aren't required) and going into female-only spaces is impacting on the safety of women.

I think it is actually true that men are a minority, just barely. (grin)

Yes. My DH looks ridiculous with his.

I think that there is a point at which the individual's right to modify their body how they please comes up against the rights of others not to be subjected to deception. I have no ready made answer for where to draw the line though.

I cannot believe this is even figuring on your radar.

If anyone wants them, for cosmetic reasons, as long as they pay for them - knock themselves out.

I don't like it but don't think it's right to exert that level of control over other people's bodies.

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running for a bus?

Illegal? No. On the NHS? No.

Do what you like with your money and your body. Just don't claim implants make you a biological woman and demand access to women's sex-based rights and privileges.

No. I support their right to modify their own body if they so wish.

I just don’t believe the NHS should pay for it.