Should breast implants for males be made illegal?

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Having learned more about the sexual desires of males, AGP in particular. I now think that as women we have to push back and stop this madness. We live in a world where females are vulnerable to sexual assault by males-we are literally hunted by them. Combined with the safeguarding of children aspect....all parents I know explain to young children that if you get lost, look for a lady to help you, preferably another Mummy....I know men can wear a padded bra to achieve the look, but still the thought of males getting sexual pleasure by having fake boobs & their male tackle-just seems wrong. Am I alone in thinking this? Looking at society as a whole, I can't see any benefit to women and children of men being allowed to get silicone breast implants.....

This cannot be a serious suggestion

If someone has anorexia, we don't affirm their delusion-we help them get better. We recognise they are suffering and need therapy to get better.
Why, when a man claims he's a woman and needs breasts why do Drs agree?
I just cannot see the benefit and imagine it causes more confusion for that individual to look in the mirror and see male genitals down below, female up top....I honestly don't see it as helping them.

It's the same question for all plastic surgery.

But on a different note, 1% of breast cancer cases are men. They can have reconstructive surgery too, this proposal would also ban that?

It isn't equivalent. Someone with anorexia is at risk of death if they persist, whereas someone who wants to have breast surgery isn't.

I just cannot see the benefit and imagine it causes more confusion for that individual to look in the mirror and see male genitals down below, female up top....I honestly don't see it as helping them.

To be blunt, it's irrelevant if you personally don't see the benefit, people don't have to check with you before they make decisions about their own bodies.

I just cannot see the benefit and imagine it causes more confusion for that individual to look in the mirror and see male genitals down below, female up top....I honestly don't see it as helping them.

So called "Chicks with dicks" is a porn genre. Some men fetishise & get turned on by the image of breasts up top & penis down below either for themselves or for other men.

Why do doctors disagree when women say they need bigger breasts to look and feel more womanly? Why do men get to have this procedure on the NHS, but not women?

It’s a whole different question, but relevant. Gender-affirming surgery is cosmetic, especially procedures which affirm a gender identity incongruent with the person’s sex, and this should not be available on the NHS. But unless these medically un-necessary procedures are reclassified as causing bodily harm, you cannot take away people’s body autonomy. Not even because it makes you uncomfortable or enables a man to get his sexual kicks.

Men don't get this procedure on the NHS as several people have already pointed out.

Yup Chicks with dicks-what the men want the men get! Never mind the implications for the rest of society....women and children have to exist alongside these chicks with dicks....

I admit I don’t know exactly which gender-affirming modifications are available on the NHS. But if some are, what difference does it make? They are all still cosmetic surgeries at best, extreme body-modifications at worst. And I would include in that the the body modifications that result from taking cross-sex hormones.

Would tongue-splitting be legal if carried out by a surgeon? What makes some cosmetic surgeries legal and some not? When is chopping up a healthy person to fulfill their desire to look different acceptable and when is it GBH? How do you define these parameters in law? I don’t want blokes breasting boobily down the stairs in breathless exultation as they express their kink in front of unconsenting women and children. But it’s still their body to choose what they do to it.

Well, you could also say that about the horrendous ‘bottom surgery’ so graphically described above, in making a neo-vagina out of an inverted penis.
It is beyond sense to me that any doctor (First, do no harm) could agree to perform that operation on a clearly disturbed individual.
From what I have read the physical results are often unsatisfactory for the patient and even if they are, do not necessarily address the underlying issues.

The thought that there would be enough males having implants that any lost kids would confuse them as being women and then that person wanting to harm that child … the chances must be infinitesimal.

To be honest, just through pure demographics, the risk is probably larger that they will approach a genuine lady who wishes to do them harm, female predators are rare but they're not non-existent.

But that is on the individual. If they want to pay for that, and any further medical costs… that’s on them.

so you don't believe In bodily autonomy?

'Chicks with dicks'? No transphobia on Mumsnet, is there?

Trouble is, the NHS (ie the rest of us) does end up bearing the cost of emergencies during surgery, where the patient gets blue-lit to the nearest acute NHS hospital, and the longer term morbidities that the private sector washes its hands of.

Uh, no!

I don't think it would be possible without banning a whole bunch of other cosmetic surgeries and procedures, which I may not want myself but I respect others' right to get if they so wish. I also think there should be legal and available routes to some of the other "extreme" body modifications that are currently effectively unavailable in the UK, such as tongue splitting, ear pointing and coin-slot modifications. In general I think that, as long as sensible safety regulations are put in place, we should have more bodily autonomy and not less.

Yeah, so maybe a waiver signed, their medical notes updated and they are treated as “health tourists” and billed as such.

I think this is the kind of thing that should be considered improper medical practice, so not allowed on that basis. It shouldn't need to be illegal.

These cases would be very unusual though. Certainly not enough to materially increase our tax bills. And let's be real there are a lot of things people choose to do with their lives which increase their risk of needing to see a doctor urgently, we don't ban those.

I believe in the freedom to do whatever wierd plastic surgery you like. It’s no different to a horrific face lift, a dramatic tummy tuck, a random limb amputation, bizarre lumps under your forehead to look like horns…
None of it on the NHS, the rest is up to you to waste your money.
Ive seen enough plastic surgery go wrong and need NHS intervention that I think it’s all the same. It’s delusional but it’s up to you.

Ultimately, you aren’t younger, or a woman, or a devil, or miraculously thinner, or sexier or whatever you imagined. You’re just slightly ridiculous and £10k worse off.

In what way is it transphobic to refer to the men who for fetish reasons have breast implants to complement their fully functioning penises as "chicks with dicks". It's the name of their favourite porn genre. Just Google on the phrase. Surely you don't men that these perverts are trans?

No, all adult people should have bodily autonomy. No matter how ill advised or what the motivation is, if cosmetic surgery is ok for women to chose then it should be ok for men to chose.

I think trying to police how other people look / want to look / should look is a slippery slope. Do you go from that to saying women can't have breast enhancement/ reduction? Or that only certain women/ certain sizes are allowed?

There's lots of cosmetic procedures, aesthetic procedures and body modifications that I think look awful and question the MH of those who have them but firmly believe - my body/ my choice applies to everyone.

Some transwomen retain their penis because they are still waiting for lower surgery, can't access it, or don't want to have it because it's a major surgery with risks involved. This doesn't automatically make them perverts or fetishists.

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Ultimately, you aren’t younger, or a woman, or a devil, or miraculously thinner, or sexier or whatever you imagined. You’re just slightly ridiculous and £10k worse off.

It can be rather worse than that in some cases. There are people who persuade themselves that all their problems in life are caused by (let's say) a large nose. Their nose is why they are unpopular, did badly at school, have a dreary job.... So they save up, and they have surgery to reduce the size of their nose and get themselves the pert tip-tilted one of their dreams.

And it looks lovely.

But they are still unpopular, they still did badly at school, and their job has not miraculously become interesting and important. Oh, and they are £10k worse off, and they feel they are stupid to have expected changing their nose to help them.

I find that horrible.