Should breast implants for males be made illegal?

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Having learned more about the sexual desires of males, AGP in particular. I now think that as women we have to push back and stop this madness. We live in a world where females are vulnerable to sexual assault by males-we are literally hunted by them. Combined with the safeguarding of children aspect....all parents I know explain to young children that if you get lost, look for a lady to help you, preferably another Mummy....I know men can wear a padded bra to achieve the look, but still the thought of males getting sexual pleasure by having fake boobs & their male tackle-just seems wrong. Am I alone in thinking this? Looking at society as a whole, I can't see any benefit to women and children of men being allowed to get silicone breast implants.....

Men (with a fetish) are not a 'minority' though. Women are the disadvantaged group here, and femaleness/ womanhood should not be treated as a costume for men to perform for their own gratification.

We fought for the right to dress as we want, and for societal acceptance of the truth that what women wear does not make them more likely to be raped.

That's all women, cis and trans.

Yep. Women, those who you call cis, and the women who claim to be men, whatever they wear does not make them more likely to be raped.

The men doing the raping probably don't care about the clothes their rape victim is wearing either. And those men doing the raping could be a man who you would call a cis man or a man who claims to be a woman. They probably don't care much if their victim is a woman who you would describe as cis or a woman who thinks she's a man.

Trans women are women, and exist because they exist.

The fact you don't like they exist is very much a 'you' problem.

Transphobia's weird. The effort going into saying that women who drastically reduce their testosterone levels are more likely to be violent than cis men is really quite something.

@TransParentlyAnnoyed It's a lie which suits the violent cis men who support the anti-trans movement, because they want to push the idea that there's a reason why women are raped.

Men, including trans-identified men, sexually offend at staggeringly higher rates than women.

If anything, TIM seem to offend at a higher rate than non-TIM. Let's put that to one side though, and face the fact that the onus is on the trans community to prove that TIMs sexually offend at a rate equal to or even less than that of women. Let's see that evidence.

You can say men who claim to be women are actually women until the end of days, it still won't make it true.

Yes, everyone starts life as an egg with a single X chromosome.

This is gibberish

The effort going into saying that women who drastically reduce their testosterone levels are more likely to be violent than cis men is really quite something.

Yet that seems to be the case. Interesting, isn't it?

TransParentlyAnnoyed
Trans women are women, and exist because they exist.

We're almost in agreement Transwomen exist because they exist - agreed.
But they exist as men, and no amount of hormones or surgery or cosmetics or clothing will make them women.

Which is why it is so unfair to hold out the possibility of an impossibility to young gender-questioning people. They deserve the truth: nobody can ever change sex, nobody is born in the wrong body, so save yourself the pain and expense of procedures that are guaranteed to fail, because you will always be the sex that you were born with.

The ultimate 'policing' of a body, and the total absence of body positivity, is to dramatically alter it on the flawed basis that it is not the right sex.

There's A lot of these polls lately, is someone out there using this form for surveys lol

That... Is not how eggs, chromosomes or sex works

Thing is, trans kids have very different opinions on transition - and read extensively on the subject. Most trans men, for example, want some form of top surgery but not all of them - they'd rather not have been pushed into surgery by being denied gender-affirming care at the right age.

Some trans guys want to keep their breasts, and non-binary masc people can have very different opinions about this.

And lots of trans men are very wary of having bottom surgery. They're aware of the risks, how much the surgery needs to be improved, etc. But they also know they may want kids in the future - lots of trans guys absolutely don't, but others are aware they might want them. They think very deeply on this subject.

My son puts it this way: he's a trans man, not a man. He's very wary of "blokes" (his term, to describe aggressive cis men) and knows how vulnerable he is.

It's not about believing you can be someone else. It's about getting your body in closer alignment with who you know yourself to be.

Trans women are women, and no amount of ridiculing their appearance if they look too 'male' or complaining when they look more trad 'female' will alter that.

No one would be trans unless it meant everything to them, because the hypervigilance, stress, prejudice and ever-present threat of violence is awful.

No. To say you want to ban men from getting breast implants gives credence to the accusation that gender critical advocates don't want to protect women, they just want to legislate transpeople out of existence.

I am gender critical because I want to protect women not because I hate transpeople and want to stop them from existing. The transphobic element in the GC movement (and yes some GC people certainly are transphobic) makes me uncomfortable

Your son is honest. I wish the transwomen trying to force their way inappropriately into women's spaces were as honest about being transwomen , not women. There is a difference and sometimes it matters.

Trans women are women, and aren't doing any such thing. They're just existing, as they always have. Using locked cubicles along public spaces, because Tthey're trying on clothes etc.

While cis male sex offenders go where they want, as they always have & will, looking to attack women.

Trans men are men too - trans men. Even if some don't identify as blokes :)

So are you saying the only reason men attack women is because men have higher testosterone? Sireted. We put all men on hormone blockers, ban testosterone for TIF and we’ve sorted VAWG! Youre a genius!

But if men will attack women in single sex spaces, doesn’t that men TIM are also in danger in those spaces? So if all these men are attacking women in female soaces, surely TIM will be safer in the men’s, as all these men are violent men will be in the ladies?

Thanks for coming back with the facts.
It's easy to doubt your own understanding sometimes.... I'd always understood we are all female as early embryos but someone just saying on here that's been debunked was having me doubt myself. An interesting foray into how insidious untruths on the internet can be.

It's time you dropped your rather idealised view of transwomen and faced up to what some of them are actually doing and saying.

Like any other group, they are a collection of differing individuals, and some are very unpleasant people. As with men, we can't tell which the unpleasant ones are until they kick off, and when they do kick off, most of them are just as capable of doing damage to a woman as any other male. So they need to stay out, just as men need to stay out.

If transwomen really understood being a women, they would understand that and respect it. Some do. Some don't.

None of that is accurate.

The prisoner statistics show that as a group, the sub group of male people with a transgender identity do not commit sex offences at a rate that is the same or lower than female people. Therefore they do not move from the general male population category.

As to the claim about there only being the “same few (despicable) faces wouldn't need to be recycled”, well Reduxx adds new entries frequently. So that is also a false claim.

https://reduxx.info

There is a huge difference between human embryos being undifferentiated for a short period of time and them being ‘female’. Humans embryos are either male or female from conception.

Male embryos are not ‘female’ just because they have not yet started to differentiate.

For all those confused as to whether embryos are all ‘female’ or not, here is a quick video explaining why this is very much misinformation.

https://theparadoxinstitute.org/videos/do-we-all-begin-female

That misinformation has been spread by people who seem to think it can destabilise the sex categorisation of humans.

A man with breasts is more likely to get attacked himself than attack a woman, so yabu and seem like you're looking for something to get riled up about

A man with breasts is more likely to get attacked himself than attack a woman, so yabu and seem like you're looking for something to get riled up about

Can you provide a link to evidence of this please? It's not in line with the fact that there are more transgender men who commit murder than there are transgender men who get murdered.