Should breast implants for males be made illegal?

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Having learned more about the sexual desires of males, AGP in particular. I now think that as women we have to push back and stop this madness. We live in a world where females are vulnerable to sexual assault by males-we are literally hunted by them. Combined with the safeguarding of children aspect....all parents I know explain to young children that if you get lost, look for a lady to help you, preferably another Mummy....I know men can wear a padded bra to achieve the look, but still the thought of males getting sexual pleasure by having fake boobs & their male tackle-just seems wrong. Am I alone in thinking this? Looking at society as a whole, I can't see any benefit to women and children of men being allowed to get silicone breast implants.....

This cis-male nonsense annoys me as there is no way of identifying that it is gender conforming men who are the abusers. No one can see the inner identity conflict in their abuser. Are they genderqueer? Are they stealth transgender? Are they non-binary but unable to disclose it to their friends and family? We can only ever see a body and describe that.
Assuming all men are cis male based on their appearance alone is the kind of gender stereotyped, blinkered thinking most modern people hate. And it has no bearing on crime stats or legislation.

no I'm asking specifically about males having silicone breast implants.
There are many things that might not be useful for society such as people jumping out of planes but I'm asking about 1 specific topic.
Perhaps you can explain to me how males having silicone implants benefits women & children-as we have to live along side these men

I don't think anyone has ever made the claim that women and children benefit from men having breast implants.

I would say that we all benefit from living in a free society where adults can make decisions about their own body that others find horrific.

what is the difference between a cis man and a trans woman? They are both male are they not?

I’m GC but voted no….they shouldn’t be available on the NHS but if a fully grown, mentally competent man wants to buy himself some boobs he should be able to (just don’t ask me to call him a woman!)

As long as they stay out of women’s single sex spaces, and pay for it themselves, it’s really up to them, fetish or not.

But why focus on this when there are things that would make a bigger difference to women and children living alongside men, for example, men who get violent after drinking. This is far more common and impactful than a few men with implants.

If a man wants to pay out of his own pocket and not get it done on the NHS then what he does to his own body is entirely up to him.

As long as he is has not been pressured into having the surgery and is competent enough to understand the surgery and the potential effects of having surgery, including dying on the operating table and post operative infections, MRSA etc then it's up to him.

Until all cosmetic surgery for both sexes is made illegal it would be wrong to make it illegal for just men to not be allowed breast implants.

Yes, also we should do more to stop flytippers, and people who move into school catchment areas for one year only.
But that’s not the question being asked.

thats laughable-it's just deflection. Like asking why doesn't battersea dogs & cats home look after giraffes

Ok. Fair.

No. I don't think it should be banned because the minor societal benefit doesn't outweigh the risk I see from setting a precedent for gender-based bans.

Boobs are boobs, let's be truthful here. They ain't magic. Lots of people never breastfeed, and that doesn't alter the fact they have boobs.

Trans women are absolutely treated as women - blamed for their own oppression, attacked because of how they look, raped because they are considered lesser humans than cis men.

Obsessing about them fixes absolutely none of the extreme violence all women live with for every second off their lives.

Women are far stronger than men, because we have to be. And that includes trans women.

Magic boobs 😁 I've breastfed three kids and it's just ordinary once you get the knack. If you can do something while you're asleep*, it ain't special

• with supervision, obvs.

No. Presumably the reason for wanting the surgery would be part of a process in which the male realised they were female and would probably need breasts to complete the process and support their mental health.
I am not sure how this might impact on you or anyone else.

Trans people are human beings allowed to express themselves and alter their appearance as they see fit.

Same as cis women. We fought for that right, and should be wary of any attempting control someone's body.

Being trans is completely different to gender stereotyping. Trans women are women no matter what they wear. If they were respected as such, there would be far less pressure on them to confirm to stereotypes - that is my point. They should still be free to dress how they want without judgement or fear.

Besides, most trans women already do go out without make-up, and some have beards. Some look a lot like men -and they're the ones most likely to be violently attacked.

Trans women, like all women, dress with one eye on avoiding violence. All women know that violent cis men will use how we're dressed - up or down - to excuse their desire to hurt us.

Policing appearance (and bodies) is a dangerous road, just another illustration of how transphobia endangers all women.

err women are not stronger than men-that is not true.

No one is saying that women who do not breast feed are not women

the ability of a baby to feed off a woman's breast while she is asleep is actually very special BUT most women do not feed their babies when they are asleep for the risk of squashing their baby....

this word salad makes no sense to me. Who fought for the right of males to be able to have silicone breast implants? Males did.

How does transphobia endanger all women? I really don't understand what you're trying to say?

Is women having a rational fear of a male with silicone breast implants transphobia?

Trans women are women no matter what they wear.

Nope! A man who claims to be a woman is a man no matter what he wears.

Again, you are saying it’s only cis men
who attack others. Without any explanation of how you know their gender. Presumably because they are wearing a t shirt and trousers. Or have short hair. This is just prejudiced gender stereotyping on appearances.

Nope, it's lifelong experience and court reporting.

All those who raped Gisèle Pélicot were cis men, for example.

Trans & cis women are of course represented within the sex offender population, but there's far fewer of them compared to the percentage of cis men who commit offences. And some of those trans women only declared themselves trans after being charged.

Trans & cis women are of course represented within the sex offender population, but there's far fewer of them compared to the percentage of cis men who commit offences. And some of those trans women only declared themselves trans after being charged.

Nope, trans-identified males commit sexual offences at a higher rate than non-trans males and way, way way higher rate than females.

We fought for the right to dress as we want, and for societal acceptance of the truth that what women wear does not make them more likely to be raped.

That's all women, cis and trans.

And again: trans women develop breasts as a result of taking hormones. Implants are just a choice some women make - one I wouldn't choose for myself, but it's up to other people what they do with their own boobs.

Parents who've breastfed boys know they often develop swollen breasts and produce milk, because of hormone transfer. Every human starts life as female, so has milk ducts and is theoretically capable of producing milk. Cis women who are unable to carry their own child can still stimulate their breasts so that they can feed their baby after surrogacy.

Every human starts life as female

No, this has to be debunked with boring regularity.

That's absolutely not true.

It's a lie which suits the violent cis men who support the anti-trans movement, because they want to push the idea that there's a reason why women are raped.

There is no reason. It's individual rapists who hate women expressing that hate. The only way to prevent rape is to accept the truth of that, and stop blaming women.

Those men were not asked for their gender identity. Unsurprisingly their inner gender feelings were not important. They were just classed as men.
Perhaps if anyone had cared to have a long discussion with them about gender ideology they would have revealed that sometimes they too feel a feminine energy and a few stereotypically feminine traits. Perhaps they are very careful when reverse parking, or they cry at dog food adverts. They remain men.
As evidenced by seeing women as a physical prop to be used to please themselves. Much like transwomen are happy to discomfort and upset women to please themselves.

Yes, everyone starts life as an egg with a single X chromosome.

Men and women have fundamentally similar biology, which is why it's possible to have gender-reassignment surgery. It's also why boys are able, during hormone transfer, to produce milk.