Should breast implants for males be made illegal?

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Having learned more about the sexual desires of males, AGP in particular. I now think that as women we have to push back and stop this madness. We live in a world where females are vulnerable to sexual assault by males-we are literally hunted by them. Combined with the safeguarding of children aspect....all parents I know explain to young children that if you get lost, look for a lady to help you, preferably another Mummy....I know men can wear a padded bra to achieve the look, but still the thought of males getting sexual pleasure by having fake boobs & their male tackle-just seems wrong. Am I alone in thinking this? Looking at society as a whole, I can't see any benefit to women and children of men being allowed to get silicone breast implants.....

If anorexia could be cured or eased by an operation I think most people would support it. I don't think anyone would be calling for the operation to be illegal because anorexia is a mental illness.

It's more of a comment on private surgery in general. People don't always realise that, if your private op starts going downhill fast, it's the NHS that will save you - if you can be taken to the acute hospital fast enough, of course.

Well yes much the same as if you injure yourself playing sport, get run over because you run out in busy traffic or get type 2 diabetes due to poor lifestyle choices.

All these things are self-inflicted and cost the NHS money but I'd rather live in a country where treatment for self inflicted things was available than not. Wouldn't you?

It’s much much worse when the surgery has a complication.
The realisation that your nose was not the reason you were so unhappy either comes before you spend 10k with some inner soul searching and reflection on the shortness of life and the acceptance of imperfections, or after you spend 10k.
Infections, nerve damage, non healing wounds, fistulating wounds etc are a much worse outcome

I'm in favour of evidence based decision making. I'm just giving people the facts here. If you use private routes it can still cost the NHS/taxpayer money. It is not correct to say that cosmetic or more extreme forms of private surgery do not impinge on the NHS or taxpayer.

I think that there is probably a separate discussion to be had about where private surgery may actually be unethical, even if the patient is adamant that they want it. An extreme example might be someone demanding that their legs are removed and then asking for disability benefits etc. Would we allow that just because they wanted it or would we make them go through a lot of gatekeeping first or would we ban it outright?

We've gotta ask these questions: the State's money pot isn't bottomless.

But anorexia can not be cured by an operation....and ultimately neither can gender disphoria....many adults have said it actually didn't help them....I think there is a study that shows suicide rates increase after transition , rather than decrease because it doesn't work. The idea that silicone implants help a mans mental health is imho delusional.....they say they want them....but there is no evidence to back up that it improves their state of mind.....we are failing people with mental health issues-there has to be a better way.

Looking at society as a whole, I can't see any benefit to women and children of men being allowed to get silicone breast implants.....

However odd it may be for people to choose to spend their own money on body modifications, we cannot go down an authoritarian route of banning things based on there being no benefit to other people in them.

It would be just as outrageous the other way around - if, say, it was judged that most men don't really care about earrings or painted nails, so because it doesn't benefit them, women are banned from having their ears pierced and painting their nails.

It only affects everyone else if everyone else has to pay for it
It doesn’t though. As OP clearly explains. AGPs are a danger to society.

While this type of surgery isn't right for everyone there are many people who it does help.

Someone who I have known since childhood has transitioned (born female so no breast implants but has had a double mastectomy, takes testosterone). They pass for male and it is undeniable that they are much happier, are thriving and are achieving huge success in their career personal relationships in a way that weren't able to before. They paid for the surgery in their mid 30s after years and years of therapy. Surgery worked for them where therapy did not.

Is an AGP without breast implants any less dangerous than one with breast implants?

Your inability to grasp that some people are just trans is the issue here.

Trans men, trans women and non-binary people don't exist for sexual reasons.

If trans women don't conform to gender stereotypes, they are not treated as women. It is societal insistence on gender role play which encourages medical transition.

Let me give you an example. Trans boys dramatically reduce their use of binders when they are accepted as boys.

And given that your 'reading' hasn't helped you realise that trans women develop breasts as a result of hormones then I hardly think you're qualified to make judgements about them.

Try reading what trans people themselves sat, rather than transphobic propaganda.

ok so not really relevant to this thread?

Dehumanising entire minorities by labelling them sexually predatory is an age-old tactic used against gay people & people of colour. It's now being used against trans women.

Violent cis men were, are and always will be the biggest risk to women, and it's addressing that (immense) danger with education and through rape justice which women want.

So much easier to vilify a minority than confront the things cis men do and act against them. Years after the vast scale of drug-assisted rape first became clear, there is still no organised response against it, for example.

That is a great question-as I said earlier, they can achieve the same affect by wearing a padded bra. But the question remains, is it beneficial to society as a whole, to have males with silicone breast implants? Or is it feeding males delusions & sexual fetishes?

You literally said that gender dysphoria isn't cured by surgery in the post I quoted. I was giving an example to counter your sweeping blanket statement.

Cis men are a danger to society. Pretending that legislating against a minority will fix that is distracting from that truth.

1 in 4 women & 1 in 6 men, minimum, have suffered sexual abuse. I don't know a single woman who hasn't been sexually assaulted in some way, often multiple times starting from childhood.

If trans women were the danger, then the same few (despicable) faces wouldn't need to be recycled.

Trans women simply exist, and are deeply vulnerable to sexual assault themselves.

I'm listening to males who underwent surgery thinking they were 'trans' then realised it didn't help their disphora one iota.
trans women are not treated as women because they are not women....
A male taking hormones does not develop breasts-breasts can feed infants and are amazing-a collection of fat cells in the chest area unable to produce milk is not a breast. lets be truthful here.

If trans women don't conform to gender stereotypes, they are not treated as women. It is societal insistence on gender role play which encourages medical transition.

That's a very useful point which shows the futility of so called 'medical transition', you should share that insight with gender-questioning people:

Don't bother trying to conform to gender stereotypes of 'what a woman looks like', whatever that may be. Save yourself the time, money, pain and suffering.

You'll never be a woman no matter what you do, no matter what surgical interventions you get done, you'll always be male.

Even if you get a GRC, you'll still be male. You'll probably still look like a male, too, things like height and gait and hands and feet tend to be a giveaway, which would be disappointing if you've gone to all the pain and expense of medical transitioning.

In short, be gender critical - gender stereotypes are dead end for everybody.

I'm asking about males getting silicone implants-you are talking about a female who had surgery

is it beneficial to society as a whole, to have males with silicone breast implants? Or is it feeding males delusions & sexual fetishes?

It could be both or neither. It doesn't have to be a binary choice between one or the other.

Trans people are a tiny minority. Of that, male agps are a tiny minority of that tiny minority. Those with breast implants likely an even smaller part of that tiny minority of a tiny minority.

There really are bigger things to worry about. It does feel like some people are just obsessed with trans people.

Would you treat males and females differently in this regard? Banning breast implants for men but allowing women to have them removed?

some people are very concerned that males with gender disphoria are being badly let down

some people think that there are 2 sexes and many different ways to express yourself but trying to become the opposite sex is impossible

So you're suggesting banning things which aren't useful to society in the interest of protecting people?

May I suggest we focus on alcohol then? We've already effectively banned smoking. Alcohol is a big cause of male violence. Much more so than trans people. If your concern is really protecting women by banning things.

the reasons females wish to present as male are very different to the reasons males wish to present as female. In a sane world I don't see any benefit for a female to have her healthy breasts removed. It means if she changes her mind later, and has a baby, she won't be able to breast feed. What are the benefits for that woman and her potential future child?