Should breast implants for males be made illegal?

[happydappy2]

Having learned more about the sexual desires of males, AGP in particular. I now think that as women we have to push back and stop this madness. We live in a world where females are vulnerable to sexual assault by males-we are literally hunted by them. Combined with the safeguarding of children aspect....all parents I know explain to young children that if you get lost, look for a lady to help you, preferably another Mummy....I know men can wear a padded bra to achieve the look, but still the thought of males getting sexual pleasure by having fake boobs & their male tackle-just seems wrong. Am I alone in thinking this? Looking at society as a whole, I can't see any benefit to women and children of men being allowed to get silicone breast implants.....

Do you think that there are any other groups of men who are 'at risk of sexual assault in a men's toilet'? If so, do you think they should be allowed to use the disabled toilet, even if they are able-bodied?
I totally get that you are trying to be kind to a sub-group of men (though perhaps not so kind to disabled people), but it is always wise to see where being kind might lead us, especially where men are involved

I really wish trans people and their supporters would stop suggesting a third space as a solution.

Yes, but apart from "they should just use the loos intended for their natal sex" what is the solution? Or do you mean you wish people would start to ask for a fourth space, just for the 0.5% of the population who actually do need one, rather than a third space that already exists for good reason?

My feeling is that if the entitled men who are fake-trans would find something else to do with their time than put on drag and invade the women's toilets and take selfies of themselves having a quick gloat because "you can't stop us", things would be greatly improved for everyone, women, men, and for all I know little green bug-eyed monsters as well. But now these posers have discovered they can be disgustingly antisocial and that by the time anyone catches them at it, for I notice the care they seem to take to be sure they have sole occupancy for their grandstanding, and gets her act together to get them thrown out it is too late and they haven't been ejected with prejudice, the genie isn't going back in the bottle and they will go on assuming they are above the law and can ignore decent behaviour.

I don't think whether they have breast implants or not is going to cause such people to be civilised, empathic human beings; I don't think they'd know how. So even if I thought making illegal their having fake tits permanently (as opposed to strapped on for nights out) were a good idea (I don't) I don't think it would help at this point.

Maybe they will grow up eventually. One can hope.

I really think they should use the space that aligns with their sex. Not their gender.

ive said. I don’t care what they do to their own bodies, as long as they’re paying for it.

I know. The hate is off the charts, isn't it. This is a very dark corner of Mumsnet.

How can unknowingly sharing a ladies' room with a transwoman be analogous to stealthing? Stealthing can make you pregnant or give you a disease that takes your life. Stealthing is a form of rape. I hardly think that being blissfully ignorant that you've just shared a ladies' room with a transwoman is the same as someone taking off a condom without your knowledge. Absolutely barking to say the two things are the same.

I wouldn’t be blissfully ignorant. The vast majority of trans women do not pass.

the law is the law. Removing protections for women and girls is a dangerous road to go down.

im a rape victim. Sharing a ladies room with a man can get me raped and this time he might kill me. I can’t describe what he did it’s too upsetting for others to read but I’m not prepared to share à single sex space with a man because of it.

If you think women standing up for their sex based rights is 'hate' then that tells us a huge amount about you as a person 🙄

Have you tried turning the light on?

A bit of a derail, sorry, but worth noting:

About a year ago I started noticing trans supporters taking words or phrases that often appear in GC analysis, and reversing them:

For instance, saying that gender critical feminists are 'flat earthers'
Saying that transwomen are the new suffragettes because suffragettes stood for women not being defined by their biology.
After the attack on Wes Streeting's office: 'The new suffragette movement is here'
Claiming that Genspect had produced an equivalent of the Dentons Document.
'What the law actually says not what you [GC]] dream it is]
'You lot [GC] have been lied to'.

It seemed to go into abeyance for a while, but there I've noticed some very recent examples:

that biological realism is 'anti-science'.
Accusing GC feminists of using DARVO.
And now, the running joke of a 'bingo card' for predictable and oft-disproved TRA claims and statements.

"Imitation is the homage which mediocrity pays to genius" as somebody - not Oscar Wilde, but I'm sure he wished he had
but it's not about mediocrity or genius, it's about original thought and analysis.

It reminds me of - you know when children go through a phase of just repeating everything you say to them?
Stop repeating everything I say!
Stop repeating everything I say!
No I mean it!
No I mean it!
Please stop doing it, it's really irritating.
Please stop doing it, it's really irritating.
and so on until they lose interest

I often say that future sociologists will have a great time studying how on earth such a tiny number of people managed to have such a disproportionate effect on so many areas of society, with so little factual evidence.
There'll be rich pickings for future lexicologists and stylistic analysts too.

Good on you for challenging that. As if unknowingly being in the presence of a man is analogous to actual rape. I have no time for people who resort to such cheap hyperbole that disrespects all the victims of rape by stealthing.

I never said it was. I said à man entering a women’s space where he shouldn’t be because he believes he passes is analogous to stealthing. I firmly believe it should be a criminal offence.

I’ve had an experience in a loo where I was left in EXTREME distress having multiple flashbacks that didn’t stop. I can’t describe what happened itll be deleted by mnhq.

all of which would be avoided if men used the toilets they’re meant to.

By the way. What the fuck is “self proclaimed” rape victim all about?

Stealthing is a form of rape.

I still, like the other poster, object to you saying a man in the women’s loo that you didn’t even notice is analogous to rape by stealthing.

I see you had my comment deleted. Sorry for being blunt. I’m a rape survivor too so perhaps that is why I am shocked you would minimise rape in such a way.

You are the only rape victim I have ever known who would seriously state that rape by stealthing is in any way comparable to a man being in the women’s toilets without you even being aware of it.

Analagous means the two things are similar to each other.

They aren’t even remotely similar.

I am sorry you had a PTSD flashback in the toilets. I too have PTSD.

One, I recently had was just sitting in a restaurant and for some reason the mixture of the noise of people and the way the light fell on a man entering out the side of my vision,it triggered flashbacks to when I was in a different restaurant and a man with a shot gun came in and started shooting people. I literally abandoned my food and ran out of the restaurant through the kitchen in the back in a blind panic.

But I would never compare the risk of me having a flashback to risk of the actual trauma itself.

You are, of course, perfectly entitled to your opinion.

I disagree.

i firmly believe it should be a criminal offence for anyone to enter the single sex spaces of the sex other then that which they were born using deceit.

men need to obey the law and I don’t understand why it’s so difficult for them to do this.

Im not saying it should not be a criminal offence, I think it should be. I just object to it being compared to rape by stealthing. It’s not even in the same league of criminal offences. One carries a prison term, the other should be an on the spot fine.

I appreciate that is your opinion.

And I appreciate yours, however, can you please consider that when arguing rationally for this law to be enforced the use of hyperbole that conflates a man using the women’s toilet with rape by stealthing is more harmful than helpful for making this law stick? It invites further criticism of our position as based in paranoia.

ASI said. I appreciate your opinion.

I view this the same way I view I extreme cosmetic procedures to make someone look like furry. I don’t think anyone should do it, but I also don’t think it should be illegal. I think there should be policies in place to discourage it, such as a very long statute of limitations for being able to sue.

I was actually stunned by that comparison. As a fellow rape survivor, I was deeply disturbed that anyone would say such a thing.