Owen Jones on Facebook

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‘If trans women use men’s toilets, they will be subjected to humiliation, abuse and violence.

Anyone with any sense knows this.

Which is why in practice trans women will not use men’s toilets, and will just increasingly be driven out of society.’

let’s just drive women out of society then eh? Because the same stands for women having to share with men in dresses ffs

have I missed something btw? Seems a random
post for a Sunday morning

Perfect description.

The desperate sneers of a man who is losing all of any grip he may have once had.

I didn't suggest most men, just many.

In well over 40 years of using the men’s loos I can honestly say I’ve never felt threatened or unsafe and nor would I do more than raise an eyebrow if a trans identifying man was in there.

I think it’s an utter fantasy (and I mean that in both senses) that TiMs would be raped, sexually assaulted or beaten up in 99% of public male loos. If they really went looking for trouble in some rough-arse pub somewhere, then maybe they’d get a kicking.

But in most bogs, you don’t look / talk / care. You’re in and out, generally trying not to step in the more dubious puddles and hoping (in my case anyway, unfortunately not for all men) that they’ve actually still got soap in the dispensers.

😂😂

Important piece of info for you if you ever visit Ireland: the Irish Gaelic for 'women' is 'mná', and some visitors have wrongly guessed that 'mná' must mean 'men'...
..which is 'fir', in case you're wondering..

Of course you're more likely to see the universal symbols than written words these days, but just in case....

Marie, you may or may not be surprised that I've seen 'mná' and 'fir' on loo doors in 'Irish' bars in England more than once, always seemed unnecessary.

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Thank you!

I personally use the toilets for everyone most of the time. I’m happy to share the space with trans women. I have 3 good trans friends, 1 TM 2 TW. Been their friends forever. Doesn’t affect me one wee bit. But there are women who don’t want to share their space with TW. And that’s fine. They should be given the option to keep their space woman only.
When my last baby was born I was in hospital for a while with her due to some issues and the hospital is for women and children only. So on the ward the bathroom it was patient only. About 3ft away from the ward was visitor toilet. Anyway a husband of another patient kept using the toilet and pissing on the seat. I’d just had a section, was emotional as shite because my baby wasn’t doing great (she was fine after a week thankfully) but the last thing I needed after a horrid operation was to be cleaning some random man’s pee. I also struggled to use the bathroom with him knocking to come in when I was trying to shower with my dressings on etc. I asked the midwife to ask him to use the other toilets. He ignored them. Now my baby was early and my DP was at home with our other kids because we have zero family help and baby arrived to early to get anyone in. So when my kiddos at home were in bed my lovely neighbour babysat so dp could come to the hospital and spend a few hours with us. He watched this dad go in the bathroom for patients and my dp is a big old tattooed man who looks like a bouncer and hells angel had a baby. He’s actually a big teddy bear but he said to this other dad that if he used that toilet again he’d remove him from the ward himself and to go clean up the seat, that the women on the ward weren’t his mum. The dad was embarrassed and apologised (to my dp, not me) never did it again.
Women even when we’re ok with sharing spaces on the whole, have vulnerable times we just don’t want blokes near us. Women who’ve been raped, abused, fear men or quite simply want to keep their space should be afforded that. We need more spaces. If trans folks don’t like the additional 3rd space then it’s a massive shame for them but compromise is usually someone getting something they don’t 100% like and sadly it’s life, it’s tough.
I have seen a rise in men, biologically Barry let’s call them, with full beards, intact, not even cross dressing identifying as women. This is sadly where being kind is getting us. Straight up men thinking that their free will to choose a gender is allowing them into our spaces.
25 years ago when my friend transitioned and I used to work in mental health services where I supported a transwoman who at the time was known as a cross dresser lots of women didn’t mind sharing the toilets with TW. Because they went in, used the toilet and left with no drama. Now we’ve men entitled enough to wave their dongs around a changing room for women and then cry bigots when asked to not expose themselves. We need a 3rd space.

It would be interesting to know how many such obviously masculine presenting women are in the prison system. And if testosterone continues to be prescribed...certainly given the propensity for increased aggression it stimulates.

How often do you personally come across mixed sex facilities ( aside from single occupancy rooms)?. It can't be that often. I can't say I come across them much at all...ususually only in newly built art centres - such as the Aviva studios in Manchester. And. of course, using a facility with our friends is not the same as being in a facility with strangers.

Rarely thankfully. There’s one in a bar we used to frequent near my work. Full of confused embarrassed men and women. The others I’ve seen have been at museums and art galleries.

Yes, it tends to be arty institutions in the main.

https://x.com/akuareindorf/status/2059034063537832135

Akua Reindorf issuing Owen Jones a thorough take down. Very satisfying.

the last time I used one was at a hospital but my local cafe has a unisex toilet and baby change so I use that one if I’m in there.
My local Thai restaurant also has a unisex toilet but I’ve not been for a while because the new owners are portion stingy. I’m not paying £14 for 2 pork ribs.

I saw that, amongst other things, he was feigning concern for butch lesbians. Yeah, don't try that with Akua.

Yes! As she says, "Oh and PS don't you dare lecture me on what happens to butch women. Just don't even try it. I genuinely can't believe how many transactivists try this with me. It's like you haven't got eyes."

https://x.com/akuareindorf/status/2059035079255720278

Ou of interest was that a block of toilets, or just a single occupancy room? ( in the hospital). Lots of establishments have single ocupancy rooms for use by anyone.

Endlessly having to justify ourselves to troublemakers like OJ is so tedious. All he needs to know is this:

Humans can't change sex.

Men and women have separate toilets, segregated on the basis of sex.

Men should use the men's toilets, women should use the women's toilets.

It doesn't matter if it makes some men sad, or if some women look a bit masculine - it's a nice, simple, easy-to-understand rule and it also happens to be the law.

I really feel the acronym "Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits" has never been more appropriate.

Owen Jones is irrelevent and has less and less influence with the passage of time. His job is to stand by his ideological convictions and never budge. He wouldn't be 'Owen Jones' should he display any nuance of understanding.

Many years ago I used a public lavatory in Rome which was for both males and females. I wasn't unduly worried because it had full time attendants. They ensured the facilities were clean and sort of policed behaviour. However I still want single sex facilities and please could LOJ remember it's not just about toilets. It always ends up being about loos, but it's about every facility that should be divided by sex.

Oh gosh I’m trying to remember but I think it was just the one but I’m not actually 100% but I remember a lady coming out because she was a punk.

That must be a rarity in Rome ( where was it out of interest?). I know Rome fairly well ( as a tourist) and can't say I've ever encountered mix sex blocks of toilets, although many small establishments tend to have a couple of single ocupancy rooms for use by any patron.

Are you in Liverpool by any chance? I am too.

I think its because he's a utter, utter nob.