US to open world’s first children’s ‘detransition clinic’ Texas hospital to offer free services reversing the effects of gender-affirming treatments

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/15/texas-reverse-transgender-treatment-childrens-clinic/

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People can identify a man when dressed in clothes 'traditionally associated' with women. Clothes are superficial to sex. I think we agree.

People look at other people and perceive their sex. They are not identifying the gametes. Assumptions are made based on sex characteristics amongst other observable cues. If a person exists within the expectations of sex categories, then socially they are treated as that sex whether they wish to be or not.

People can identify a man when dressed in clothes 'traditionally' associated with women. Clothes are superficial to sex. I think we agree.
People look at other people and perceive their sex. They are not identifying the gametes. Assumptions are made based on sex characteristics amongst other observable cues. If a person exists within the expectations of sex categories, then socially, they are treated as that sex whether they wish to be or not.

Yes. I agree.

The only thing I would add to this is that pretty much every person in the whole world "exists within the expectations of sex categories". Very rarely it's unclear but there are normally some obvious cues e.g. the person's gait (as a standalone) or a combination of multiple factors.

Whether every person wants their sex to be correctly perceived or not is another matter. Which I think is what you're saying too.

And yes, socially we treat people a certain way because of this perception. It's annoying but it's true.

OK, fair enough. It was just interesting to see you refer to yourself as a trans woman after telling us you were not. No worries.

The only thing I would add to this is that pretty much every person in the whole world "exists within the expectations of sex categories". Very rarely it's unclear but there are normally some obvious cues e.g. the person's gait (as a standalone) or a combination of multiple factors.

Whether every person wants their sex to be correctly perceived or not is another matter. Which I think is what you're saying too.

We agree.

I would add that 'unclear' isn't necessarily unclear. There's probably some significance to 'clarity' by context and beliefs that ultimately doesn't matter within social interaction. There is also an unrelated grey area of androgyny that eventually is sorted out, but that is different.

I don't identify as trans, or a trans woman. I was in transition then and by definition a trans woman (or girl, if pedantic... but now there will be a dozen posts about this) while undergoing transition.

No, no, that's fine. It's all very clear. Very clear.

But thanks to the transing of history we will bever know just how many were involved.

All those in the USA who medically 'transed' must have had it all paid for, is the same pathway not available to them to de-'trans'

What's meta-dialoging when it's at home????
And the Catholic Church invented gender ideology, it all makes sense now. 🤔

And humans are not mammals, except when we are…. That should be in classics 😂😂😂😂

For a deep dive into reasons for detransition for the current cohort, there's a deep analysis here;
https://www.psychiatrymargins.com/p/understanding-detransitions-in-transgender

Well actually, you lost 2 inches across a few threads as you realised that the average height of women in the UK is quite a bit less than in North America.

I'm currently 5'4, the last time I had my height measured in a medical environment. If the UK average is lower than what I had originally believed, then I am I am now also taller than average here. I was much taller than average when I lived and worked in Asia.

I'm confused by what you mean by "sex realist" in this case? If you agree that sex is something that is real and can be perceived, regardless of clothes or other stereotypes, how are you not a sex realist?

meta-dialoging

I think that’s chat about biscuits

I wonder what the term is for de-railing a thread with utter nonsense?

Me-me-me-dialoging. 😂

From Wiki

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I think this poster is meta meta dialoguing by not sticking to the topic in his complaints about the non topic topic.

Me me me meta meta dialoguing or something. The Bananaramamememeramadrama effect.

Sex realists share a belief that gametes/chromosomes/sry/other unobservable immutable biologic factor solely impact situations where presumed/expected observable sex categories demonstrably and inexorably affect life.

For the vast majority of people, there is an alignment between gametes/chromosomes/sry/other unobservable immutable biologic factor and presumed/expected observable sex category. But it is not 100%.

Sex realist beliefs cannot (or will not) acknowledge the minority where their presumed/expected observable sex category does not align with gametes/chromosomes/sry/other unobservable immutable biologic factor.

I am not sex realist because I acknowledge this very small minority of people who do not align 'biologically' and 'observably.' I also possess a long history as such a person ("regardless of clothes and stereotypes"), which influences my beliefs away from those of sex realists.

The exchange with @BonfireLady above helped me think some stuff through on this sex realist vs trans acceptance topic.

...helped me think some stuff through on this sex realist vs trans acceptance topic.

Sex realist beliefs cannot (or will not) acknowledge the minority where their presumed/expected observable sex category does not align with gametes/chromosomes/sry/other unobservable immutable biologic factor.

Go back and think again, that's a load of bollocks

Please correct me.

I think that poster is referring to those with a VSd and trying to attempt a gotcha. Totally ignoring the fact that VSD actually reinforce the sex binary. If there was not a binary, how works people with A VSD know they had one. There’s also the small matter of VSD affecting one sex or the other. No VSD affects both sexes.

Sex is biology and real
Trans is imaginary and not real.
Gender Identity is entirely made up codswallop from academia.

DSD conditions are real, and real peoples lives are impacted because of the mutations on their sex chromosomes.

Stop using something real peoples suffering from to justify your fantasy's.

The exchange with [me] above helped me think some stuff through on this sex realist vs trans acceptance topic.

I appreciate we come from very different viewpoints on this: put bluntly, each of us sees the other's "belief" as non-sensical and our own as position as factual.

However, I'm interested in your reflections. Specifically, I have two questions:

1. would you consider that a viable way forward is for you to self-exclude from women's spaces and instead either advocate for third spaces for anyone to use (e.g. unisex facilities in addition to single-sex) or (probably your least preferred) use the men's?
2. would you support a restriction on anyone under 18 (or 25?) making permanent changes to their body, to match it with their perception of their "gender"? Similar to other restrictions on permanent body changes.

Edited to add: re point 1, this is obviously in line with the law in the UK. However, I'm still interested in your answer.

As I recall she also lied about the number of trans patients she'd seen in her clinic, claiming they made up the bulk of her workload, then it turned out she'd seen less than 20.

Really? Can you link to her saying that? I have watched most of stuff and never seen her making that claim.

the claims just get wilder lol. I assume they are referring to the Merkin? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

You haven't shared anything corrects what I said.

I will add that I believe the majority of people who say they are sex realists are actually sex moralists. This group moralises the discordance they claim/believe in others between ‘biology’ and ‘observability.