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US to open world’s first children’s ‘detransition clinic’ Texas hospital to offer free services reversing the effects of gender-affirming treatments

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 16/05/2026 10:43

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/15/texas-reverse-transgender-treatment-childrens-clinic/

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HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 16/05/2026 13:00

FireBucket · 16/05/2026 12:43

"Surgical treatment for gender dysphoria removes the natural source of sex hormones and will result in osteoporosis unless hormone therapy, sometimes called cross-sex hormone treatment, is taken."

https://theros.org.uk/information-and-support/osteoporosis/causes/transgender-trans-people-and-osteoporosis/

Same organisation, in the updated pdf:

The long-term effects of these medications (opposite sex hormones) on the risk of breaking a bone isn’t yet fully known.

Some recent research shows that treating children or young people with drug treatments that lower their hormone levels may delay them reaching a peak or maximum bone mass.

I thought you might have read it the first time I posted it 🙄

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 16/05/2026 13:02

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 16/05/2026 12:55

It doesn't matter how many children or young people this clinic will help; what matters is that there will be somewhere for them to go. If this clinic helps even one person who realizes she or he made a mistake in transitioning, surely that's a good thing. Surely you don't need everyone to stay unhappy being "trans" if that's no longer how they see themselves? You seem to be saying you'd rather some unhappy children and young people should remain unhappy because you don't believe anyone should need such a clinic.

I stand by my original statement: safeguarding children should never be about politics.

I wonder why you seem to need there to be no transitioners?

To late to edit:

Sorry, should have read "I wonder why you seem to need there to be no detransitioners?"

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/05/2026 13:04

FireBucket · 16/05/2026 12:27

What the Cass review actually said was there was "moderate-quality evidence that bone density and height may be compromised during treatment [with puberty blockers]", but it found no evidence treatment with PBs cause long term adult osteoporosis, and it also cited research which shows bone density fully recovers when puberty blockers are stopped and puberty commences, whether that's naturally or via gender affirming hormones.

Stop spreading scaremongering misinformation.

😂 Even the useful idiots at the BMA were forced to conclude:

"Nearly two years after BMA members controversially voted to conduct an independent evaluation of the Cass review,2 the report agrees that the evidence base for treatment is weak, that the risks of osteoporosis and fertility problems are present in the current evidence, and that there is a need for improved research, better data, and more robust multidisciplinary …"

From the intro to the BMA report written by the BMA:

https://www.bmj.com/content/393/bmj.s876.full

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 16/05/2026 13:04

PrettyDamnCosmic · 16/05/2026 11:17

The headline doesn’t mention it but this is the outcome of a court case where the hospital agreed to introduce the detransition service, pay a $10 million fine & fire five gender surgeons.

The largest children’s hospital in the US has been ordered to create the world’s first designated “detransition clinic”.
Texas Children’s Hospital will offer free services to reverse the effects of gender-affirming treatments for transgender youth to settle a years-long investigation by the state.
Under the terms of the agreement announced on Friday, the hospital will fire five doctors who performed the procedures and pay $10m (£8m) for allegedly billing the state’s Medicaid program for gender-transition procedures prohibited by Texas law.

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That's interesting, the investigation clearly found wrong doing if it were able to force such a compromise from the hospital. I wonder if the 5 'gender' surgeons are to face any professional charges or are free to relocate and carry on doing harm. 🤔

It's good news, I wonder if the NHS will set up one or will such a thing fall foul of the promised horror the Conversion Therapy Law. 😤

QldGCandproud · 16/05/2026 13:05

FireBucket · 16/05/2026 11:52

Then you'll be thrilled to hear osteoporosis isn't a side effect of taking gender affirming hormones, nor is there any reason it would be, since sex hormones protect bone health.

Opposite sex hormones don't though, but more to the point, puberty blockers are known to prevent the bone mineral deposits required during adolescence, and cause bone thinning issues which are lifelong. If you have evidence otherwise, please provide a reference. You can read the Cass report as evidence for my statement.

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 16/05/2026 13:14

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 16/05/2026 13:04

That's interesting, the investigation clearly found wrong doing if it were able to force such a compromise from the hospital. I wonder if the 5 'gender' surgeons are to face any professional charges or are free to relocate and carry on doing harm. 🤔

It's good news, I wonder if the NHS will set up one or will such a thing fall foul of the promised horror the Conversion Therapy Law. 😤

If they can't get medical malpractice insurance, no hospital will take them on. Private practice might be possible, but requirements will vary state to state, including state medical board regulations and malpractice insurance requirements. It may be that a state such as Connecticut might have "looser" requirements around "gender-affirming" medical practice than Texas does.

If such a thing exists as "politics based malpractice insurance regulations " then you can bet that a state like Connecticut might still allow these five "physicians " to practice there.

After all, we all know that politics, Trump, and being on the RSOH is what's important here, not the children involved! (or even the numbers of children involved). Just ask FireBucket.

AelitaQueenofMars · 16/05/2026 13:26

FireBucket · 16/05/2026 12:27

What the Cass review actually said was there was "moderate-quality evidence that bone density and height may be compromised during treatment [with puberty blockers]", but it found no evidence treatment with PBs cause long term adult osteoporosis, and it also cited research which shows bone density fully recovers when puberty blockers are stopped and puberty commences, whether that's naturally or via gender affirming hormones.

Stop spreading scaremongering misinformation.

Sorry, are you really saying that a child given cross-sex hormones after puberty blockers will go through the natural puberty process of the opposite sex, as if they’ve actually changed sex?

Secretseverywhere · 16/05/2026 13:27

FireBucket · 16/05/2026 12:44

Tell that to @Secretseverywhere and @endofagain because they certainly were.

Well I was talking about the effects of long term effects of puberty blockers on bone mineralisation.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/

There has been a massive increase in the number of young people delaying puberty then taking cross sex hormones. The real effects of this are going to be seen in later life. I do think that providers of gender affirming care should be responsible for helping their (former child) patients with the consequences whether that’s fertility treatment, osteoporosis, endocrinology, reconstructive surgery in the longer term. I’m really not sure what insurers in the U.S. will fund going forward.

Impact of gender-affirming treatment on bone health in transgender and gender diverse youth - PMC

Both in the United States and Europe, the number of minors who present at transgender healthcare services before the onset of puberty is rapidly expanding. Many of those who will have persistent gender dysphoria at the onset of puberty will pursue ...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9578106/

IsSheorIsntShe · 16/05/2026 13:29

Elaine Miller is the person who flashed her pubes at Holyrood during a debate about the gender recognition

No, she didn't. I haven't checked the accuracy of the rest of your post but that bit is not true.

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 16/05/2026 13:30

As part of the deal, the Detransition Clinic will offer its services free of charge for the first year.

Ouch. I bet that stings.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 16/05/2026 13:35

IsSheorIsntShe · 16/05/2026 13:29

Elaine Miller is the person who flashed her pubes at Holyrood during a debate about the gender recognition

No, she didn't. I haven't checked the accuracy of the rest of your post but that bit is not true.

Are you thinking of another Elaine Miller? This Elaine Miller certainly flashed a pubic wig in the Scottish Parliament during a debate on the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Miller

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 16/05/2026 13:39

Elaine Miller is the person who flashed her pubes at Holyrood during a debate about the gender recognition

Ouch, fact checked. 😂

OldCrone · 16/05/2026 15:08

FireBucket · 16/05/2026 12:39

As commented, I'll see you back here in 3 years and we'll see how many patients this clinic has actually seen. If it's in trend with every other detransitioner initiative instigated over the last few years, it'll be barely a handful. Remember Charlie Evans and her "Detransitioners Network", trumpeting in the headlines that she was going to support thousands? Before the organisation went defunked she admitted she'd been contacted by only 12 people. Genspect's Detrans Awareness Day conference, despite supposedly being a global event, was attended by less than 40 actual detransitioners. The artist Sarah Vaci embarked on a project to photograph 100 detransitioned women - four years later, she has yet to find 100, and some of those she photographed have since retransitioned. The pattern repeats itself over and over.

You only have to read the article about Philippa Roberts to see what happens to detransitioners.

Link for anyone who missed it earlier in the thread.
I transitioned into a man - then changed my mind. Now the trans 'cult' that groomed me into changing sex has hounded me out of TWO cities | Daily Mail Online

This is what happened to her.

...she posted on Instagram, noting the Cambridge Dictionary had expanded its definition of ‘woman’ to include ‘an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been considered to have a different sex at birth’. Philippa said if biological men could be women, there was no point being transgender. Why try to change your sex or gender identity if you already are that identity by definition? ‘I knew there’d be a backlash,’ says Philippa. There was. Her followers initially assumed her account had been hacked. Then, she says, accusations of transphobia began to fly. People were told not to read what she was posting. In the words of one post, it was ‘dangerous’. She lost thousands of followers.

As the abuse magnified, her tattooist work evaporated. Then things became more sinister. She says trans activists went after her girlfriend (who Philippa won’t name), texting and calling her, harassing her constantly. ‘They couldn’t get to me,’ says Philippa. ‘So they went for everyone around me. They wanted maximal damage, mental and financial. They were prepared to do anything to get to me, and it worked, which is what I hate the most.’ The two have since split up.

Philippa worried that if her address was discovered, she could be at risk of violence – she had received enough threatening social-media messages to feel unsafe.

Those wanting to detransition need to be very resilient in order to escape the cult (this is the term used by the DM). Instead of denying that these people exist, shouldn't you be supporting them to 'be who they truly are' @FireBucket? It's people like you denying their existence, and some who even hound them and threaten them (I hope you wouldn't be part of that lynch mob) which keeps them hidden. Also the lack of medical support for detransitioners, but hopefully this clinic is just the first of many which will be around to support them.

I transitioned into a man - then changed my mind

Philippa Roberts is telling me about the day she had her breasts removed. She was 19 years old. 'My mum said,

https://www.dailymail.com/lifestyle/article-15817599/Philippa-Roberts-detransition-man-woman.html

EdithStourton · 16/05/2026 15:15

FireBucket · 16/05/2026 12:33

No, osteoporosis it is not a side effect of taking cross sex hormones. This is simply an untrue statement. Osteoporosis is caused by having low or no sex hormones. Taking HRT - either oestrogen or testosterone - is protective against osteoporosis.

Elaine Miller is the person who flashed her pubes at Holyrood during a debate about the gender recognition. As I recall she also lied about the number of trans patients she'd seen in her clinic, claiming they made up the bulk of her workload, then it turned out she'd seen less than 20. I'd hardly call her an objective commenter.

She didn't flash her pubes, she flashed a merkin.
I saw the video at the time.

ETA, sorry, just noticed that someone else had said the same.

GenderlessVoid · 16/05/2026 15:41

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 16/05/2026 13:14

If they can't get medical malpractice insurance, no hospital will take them on. Private practice might be possible, but requirements will vary state to state, including state medical board regulations and malpractice insurance requirements. It may be that a state such as Connecticut might have "looser" requirements around "gender-affirming" medical practice than Texas does.

If such a thing exists as "politics based malpractice insurance regulations " then you can bet that a state like Connecticut might still allow these five "physicians " to practice there.

After all, we all know that politics, Trump, and being on the RSOH is what's important here, not the children involved! (or even the numbers of children involved). Just ask FireBucket.

They can probably still practice in Texas. I don't see anything in any of the articles or the AG press release that says their licenses have been suspended and I'm sure Texas AG Ken Paxton would be touting that if it were true. He's a politician and it would play well to many. Per Google, there are 766 hospitals in Texas.

If they can't get malpractice insurance, that would be a problem for them, as you said.

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 16/05/2026 15:50

GenderlessVoid · 16/05/2026 15:41

They can probably still practice in Texas. I don't see anything in any of the articles or the AG press release that says their licenses have been suspended and I'm sure Texas AG Ken Paxton would be touting that if it were true. He's a politician and it would play well to many. Per Google, there are 766 hospitals in Texas.

If they can't get malpractice insurance, that would be a problem for them, as you said.

You're probably right... Let's hope someone is keeping an eye on their activities!

FrippEnos · 16/05/2026 15:57

FireBucket · 16/05/2026 12:33

No, osteoporosis it is not a side effect of taking cross sex hormones. This is simply an untrue statement. Osteoporosis is caused by having low or no sex hormones. Taking HRT - either oestrogen or testosterone - is protective against osteoporosis.

Elaine Miller is the person who flashed her pubes at Holyrood during a debate about the gender recognition. As I recall she also lied about the number of trans patients she'd seen in her clinic, claiming they made up the bulk of her workload, then it turned out she'd seen less than 20. I'd hardly call her an objective commenter.

For someome that claims to care about not spreading mis information your ok spreading it.

polypostwonder · 16/05/2026 16:45

AelitaQueenofMars · 16/05/2026 13:26

Sorry, are you really saying that a child given cross-sex hormones after puberty blockers will go through the natural puberty process of the opposite sex, as if they’ve actually changed sex?

I started cross-sex hormones early enough in my puberty to make a substantial impact. I was never on blockers. Oestrogen-therapy alone suppressed my testosterone level to a very low level.

My puberty progressed naturally, based on how my DNA specified my oestrogen receptors to respond to once it was sufficiently supplied in my body. There is no ambiguity in which sexed puberty I experienced.

I am currently being followed in an osteoporosis clinic because I am osteopenic. Likely caused by some combination of a pre-transition eating disorder and ignoring my need for HRT for a few years in my 30s.

I think a bone density study of adult trans people who received puberty blockers before the initiation of HRT would be valuable. Maybe it will be done one day.

ScrollingLeaves · 16/05/2026 16:58

QldGCandproud · 16/05/2026 13:05

Opposite sex hormones don't though, but more to the point, puberty blockers are known to prevent the bone mineral deposits required during adolescence, and cause bone thinning issues which are lifelong. If you have evidence otherwise, please provide a reference. You can read the Cass report as evidence for my statement.

Yes.

Longer treatment with puberty-delaying medication in transgender youth leads to lower bone mineral density
https://www.endocrine.org/news-and-advocacy/news-room/2022/longer-treatment-with-puberty-delaying-medication-leads-to-lower-bone-mineral-density

The Tavistock’s experimentation with puberty blockers: the effects on bone density
https://www.transgendertrend.com/puberty-blockers-effects-bone-density/

Longer treatment with puberty-delaying medication in transgender youth leads to lower bone mineral density

A longer duration of treatment with puberty-delaying medications among transgender youth is associated with lower bone mineral density, according to a new study that will be presented Sunday at ENDO 2022, the Endocrine Society’s annual meeting in Atlan...

https://www.endocrine.org/news-and-advocacy/news-room/2022/longer-treatment-with-puberty-delaying-medication-leads-to-lower-bone-mineral-density

OldCrone · 16/05/2026 17:02

polypostwonder · 16/05/2026 16:45

I started cross-sex hormones early enough in my puberty to make a substantial impact. I was never on blockers. Oestrogen-therapy alone suppressed my testosterone level to a very low level.

My puberty progressed naturally, based on how my DNA specified my oestrogen receptors to respond to once it was sufficiently supplied in my body. There is no ambiguity in which sexed puberty I experienced.

I am currently being followed in an osteoporosis clinic because I am osteopenic. Likely caused by some combination of a pre-transition eating disorder and ignoring my need for HRT for a few years in my 30s.

I think a bone density study of adult trans people who received puberty blockers before the initiation of HRT would be valuable. Maybe it will be done one day.

Edited

There is no ambiguity in which sexed puberty I experienced.

Puberty is the process of reaching sexual maturity, when a child becomes an adult who is able to reproduce. You can only experience the puberty which corresponds to your biological sex.

SecretSquirrelLoo · 16/05/2026 17:04

It’s completely disingenuous to keep blabbing on about how one part of the ‘treatment’ given to trans-identifying children doesn’t cause osteoporosis, when you know perfectly well that another part does.

The appalling levels of osteoporosis in children given puberty blockers were a big reason for Sweden banning this form of child abuse.

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 16/05/2026 17:06

I think "somebody" is here either to try to derail, or to try to insert themselves into the conversation, thereby somehow making themselves "relevant." The thread soon will no longer be about the Texas detransitioner clinic, if posters are not careful.

Just saying. Maybe the discussion has run its course anyway.

polypostwonder · 16/05/2026 17:12

ScrollingLeaves · 16/05/2026 16:58

Yes.

Longer treatment with puberty-delaying medication in transgender youth leads to lower bone mineral density
https://www.endocrine.org/news-and-advocacy/news-room/2022/longer-treatment-with-puberty-delaying-medication-leads-to-lower-bone-mineral-density

The Tavistock’s experimentation with puberty blockers: the effects on bone density
https://www.transgendertrend.com/puberty-blockers-effects-bone-density/

Unless I read the summaries wrong, it implies by omission that those taking testosterone were not below 0. It would also make sense that an adolescent blocking their puberty would have a lower bone density than those of their 'sex' and age undergoing an uninterrupted puberty.

But, it mentioned 'same sex' as the baseline, so I am assuming it is comparing trans boys to girls and trans girls to boys. A trans girl's bone density developing under oestrogen would be less dense than a typical boy's under testosterone. It didn't say if the density was similar or lower than a non-trans girl's.

I'm not saying puberty blockers aren't a danger, especially as the prescription length increases. But I think it would probably be more useful to provide a complete picture, maybe with a followup 10-years beyond to gauge permanent impact.

polypostwonder · 16/05/2026 17:14

OldCrone · 16/05/2026 17:02

There is no ambiguity in which sexed puberty I experienced.

Puberty is the process of reaching sexual maturity, when a child becomes an adult who is able to reproduce. You can only experience the puberty which corresponds to your biological sex.

A non-zero percentage of people have progressed through and complete puberty never being able to reproduce. Are you saying they never experience puberty?

polypostwonder · 16/05/2026 17:17

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 16/05/2026 17:06

I think "somebody" is here either to try to derail, or to try to insert themselves into the conversation, thereby somehow making themselves "relevant." The thread soon will no longer be about the Texas detransitioner clinic, if posters are not careful.

Just saying. Maybe the discussion has run its course anyway.

I think "somebody" here is initiating a "meta discussion" about "who should be able to participate" in "discussion of topics" already being discussed in "this thread."