Younger generations being pro trans

[PeachyDaisy]

I know many are saying the trans debate is over, but I think it has only just begun. And the reason is the younger generation. Studies show young people are the most supportive of transwomen going into women's spaces amongst all groups. In 20 years, these people will be in positions of power making decisions where they can enact their beliefs.

Also most of the western world has fallen to trans ideology (which activists will use as credibility for their ideology). I don't buy the argument that as long as it is just in EU/Australia/CA/ NZ then it is contained.

Having the laws on our side and sex matters fighting is great, but it feels like little consolation if we have to spend the next 50 years constantly in a court room suing organisations as they continue to to flaunt the law. It is like wack a mole, you stop one stop one organisation from doing it whilst another one pops up.

Older people could stop this so easily. They all se “trans” as cool and edgy. I bet if all their parents suddenly started “identifying as trans” it’d soon stop. Like when your child brings over someone horrible as a boy/girlfriend. Instead of ranting and banning them, praise them. Taking away the opposition takes away a lot of the desire to “stick it to the oldies “.

I am almost certain that like many people, any youngster who fully supports this with their heart and soul will very quickly change their mind once faced with a real world example.

They are only thinking of their friends - and often themselves - and support them with the blind fervour of people who haven't yet experienced the consequences.

Fascinating conversation with my 20yr old pal a while ago. How she really wanted to change my mind and lectured me about being wrong - then said how much she despised lilly tino as a liar and a fake.

I pointed out that lily tino is probably more entitled to claim to be a trans woman as any of my pal's young friends, because lily tino jmhas actually had all the surgery, hormones you can have.

I pointed out that my pal wouldn't be able to chose which men she considered genuinely to be women and which she considered to be fake. She seemed baffled by this notion - of course she could choose, of course it was up to her.....

She will soon find out.....

Yeah. I used to be all “be kind” and supportive. Til someone told me to “educate myself”. So I did. And became a full on TERF. It didn’t quite work out the way they hoped

I'm afraid younger people do not have more open minds - at least, not by virtue being younger. Younger people are far more concerned about fitting in and being accepted than older people are, and are therefore much more susceptible to group think. They may believe they are thinking for themselves, but in fact, they're simply going along with whatever happens to be the dominant ideology among their peer group. This dominant ideology is often at odds with what their parents believe, giving the young people the illusion that they're both wiser and more open-minded than the oldies.

I think it's already a bit embarrassing for younger generations. Gender identity is a gen z thing. The children in gen alpha who I see buying into it only do so because they have "cool" parents. When these 9-11 year olds hit full teenagerhood then they will rebel. This time it'll be choosing to wear suits and ties or something that has gone out of fashion in older generations.

when I was young I thought the job of feminism was done and we were living in the sunny uplands of sex equality. Then I had kids.

I have faith that people’s views grow and change as they get more life experience. I would note that my views are not the same s my mother’s though.

I remember being at a debate about Pride with some teenagers. Bearing in kind my first pride was in 1994, you would think they invented in, the owned it.

And one of them very boldly deflated that anyone who had voted for brexit was not welcome at pride.

But there are plenty of gay people who voted for brexit. Pride is a GAY celebration, why does your political affiliation with the EU even come into it?

Who is more open minded, again?

Many young people haven’t experienced having children giving birth and breastfeeding. Give them time and the obvious becomes very clear.

I think young people can be a bit naive about the realties of sex. It's actually quite easy at the age of 20 or so to see being a man or a woman as primarily a matter of what clothes you wear and what sort of interests you have. The differences between males and females become a lot harder to ignore once you or your friends start having babies. As women get older they are more likely to notice sex discrimination at work. Once people grow up a bit they get a more realistic view of the world.

That's funny, I actually went the opposite way from feminist -> non-feminist as I got older.

That aside, waiting for them to grow out of it doesn't seem like much of a solution to me (especially if we don't know if they will grow out of it). Everyone in this thread is talking about the problem which is fine but kind of pointless imo. We know what the problem is, what we need an actual solution to ensure that young people dont fall into gender ideology.

My DCs do not subscribe to the fairy tale that men can become women and vice versa. They don’t hold hate for those claiming this fairy tale is truth but they don’t pander to it.

Amongst my YPs’ groups I see that DC1s year group (aged 21) were fully captured and found it hard to dissent. They were at an interesting stage of their social development (15/16/17/18) during lockdown when they became very dependent on social media at a time when they ought to have been starting to have real relationships with other teens. . DC2 is just a couple of years younger at 19 and far fewer in that group think that it’s possible to change sex. Unfortunately the younger group are more likely to have been influenced by the misogynistic manosphere stuff.

Yes my DC's are the same..they treat it like a religion. Yes people believe that and but don't be rude about it even though you know it's nonsense.

I've been very keen to show good male and female role models to them to show that you can be a space plumber without needing to 1/ have a penis or 2/ pretend you have a penis.

Both my kids are Gen Z. Both are dubious about gender identity, DS in particular (and he says his friends are too). Though DD admits that she has to keep her proto-TERFness quietish at school, as many of her peer group are still in the #bekind zone.

I am seeing it falling away amongst young people I know. There are still a few zealous adherents but far fewer. As said above the teens treat it more like a niche religion

There are some really concerning studies that show that young people become more conservative on trans issues as they get older, however they still remain considerably more pro trans than older generations. Which would suggest each current generation become increasingly more pro trans even in old age.

Birth cohort, ageing and gender ideology: Lessons from British panel data
Birth cohort, ageing and gender ideology
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0049089X18304472?utm_source=chatgpt.com

If by 'accepting a trans' you mean treating a trans person the same as anyone else, then of course I would.

If you mean accepting their worldview, then of course not.

I don't accept any religious worldview either, but no religious person has ever accused me of not wanting them to exist, or excluding them etc.

I honestly don't see it ever really going away until those young people who transitioned as children publicly desist.

It's old people in positions of power who have force fed this ideology to the young, who adopt the fashion of the moment because they must be part of the herd.

Once upon a time almost everyone smoked. When the harms became apparent most people stopped. The damage young people have done to themselves isnt fully apparent yet but as they age it becomes more obvious. As long as no debate is over the damage done by gender ideology cant be hidden.

The job of the sensible is to try and limit how many people are harmed. The Finnish study showing how transition does not improve mental health and actually makes it worse needs more publicity. The physical harms caused by cross sex hormones needs more publicity.

I have more faith in young people. Once they realise what damage "be kind" has done they wont want their children harmed.

Interestingly in my workplace, there is a long-standing colleague who has transitioned (to identify as a woman) in the last few years and it is the younger colleagues who have raised concerns about not wanting to share toilets with this colleague.

I don’t know what age you’re referring to but my 14 year old DD just rolls her eyes anytime the trans issue is mentioned. I believe she thinks it’s “ attention seeking “ along with furries and the like.

"I don’t know what age you’re referring to but my 14 year old DD just rolls her eyes anytime the trans issue is mentioned."

Many young people are gender critical at school. It's not as black and white as young people are "captured" and older people are not.

I think it's the Isla Bumbas of the world who are the reason for this ideology to be rooted in. The ones that have graduated from university in the last 10 or 15 years with degrees that don't have a clear path into a career and have taken up jobs in HR and EDI and the charity sector. They are the ones who are clinging on to this and similar issue for dear life. The ~20 year olds that I know are quite sick of it and have also seen with their own eyes what it did to some of their peers.

I agree that it appears to be a very specific age group that this affected. I'd say probably those 18-21 now. My dd is 16 and she is GC as are all of her friends. Also agree the boys of her age are far more likely to be influenced by Andrew Tate.