Transgender hate on mum's net

[Steph2002]

I'm just wondering, I see so much hate on here about transgender woman and not a lot about transgender men. Does everyone on mum's net hate Transgender women and if so why? I don't mind sharing a toilet space with a transgender woman in fact my best friend is a transgender woman and she is the nicest person you could ever wish to meet and will protect any woman no matter where they are. I would hate to be sharing a toilet with a hairy masculine transgender man, which seems the way people want to go why? Am I the only person on here that supports trans gender women, if so I need to leave. How many people that hate Transgender women have actually met one and had issues with one I'd love to know.

Do you support all trans women? Does that include the rapists who managed to get themselves in to women's prisons?

Can you give me a definition of what a 'trans women' is?

I’ve met many. And whilst I don’t “hate” all trans women, they are men. And they have no business sharing bathrooms or changing spaces with me, my daughters or any other female.
You may not have a problem with it, but damn sure I wouldn’t look my daughter in the eye and tell her to go ahead and strip down to change for swimming because these men are “women”

very good points

Anyone who can read @Jimmyneutronsforehead account, and still support males in the Ladies loos is a heartless misogynist. @Jimmyneutronsforehead - I am so sorry you had that atrocious experience.

I generally call someone a transgender woman if they identify as a woman, but were born with male parts.

Men who want to enter a woman’s bathroom to rape, just walk on in… in coats, trousers, in whatever clothes they want. Anyone claiming they don’t want transgender woman in women’s toillets due to threat of rape are very, very silly people.

I’m not even that bothered by a man in a woman’s bathroom. Had it multiple times when a Dad is out alone & doesn’t want to take his daughter passed the urinals.

I don’t hate any one group of people… not even based on some imagined & random scenarios set in a bathroom or kids sport or professional sport.

I focus my energy on real problems that actually exist.

How about the woman who was throwing up with morning sickness and the man in the cubicle next to her spunked up under the door?

i'm guessing she's just very very silly.

I havtrauma following a rape that means I can’t cope with what you can.

im legally entitled to a single sex space.

thats it for me. I don’t want to be recounting my experiences in a therapy session with men in it.

I don’t want a male doctor when I ask for a woman and am told im getting a woman.

why can men not obey the law?

Men who don’t respect women’s and girls’ boundaries and push into places they don’t belong: massive red flag 🚩

Oh yes, how very silly we are being afraid of men, some of whom have threatened violence towards us.

@CollsR - you may be right that men who want to rape, attack or perve on women will just walk into the Ladies. But if no males are allowed in, it is much easier to challenge those who do attempt to enter, whereas if we say some men, -the ones with the magical lady-feelz, the make up, the fake boobs and the spinny skirts - can enter the Ladies, but the predatory ones are not welcome, we lose that protection.

And the trans women are not universally safe - they lurk in the Ladies hoping to be able to offer to help a young g girl insert her first tampon. They masturbate in there. They intimidate women - I certainly would not confront a trans woman in the loos, for fear of the male violence. Trans women have the same levels and incidence of violence as other men.

Can you tell me how I can distinguish the ‘safe’ men in the Ladies loos from the dangerous ones - given that attire, make up etc are not clear indications that a man is safe to be around women and girls?

What am I? An inconvenience? The inconvenient truth?

Are the little girls who were victims of sexual assaults by Katie Dolatowski in the womens toilets just being silly

You are a bloody amazing woman, @Taztoy!

What about women who don’t want ‘cis men’ in women’s toilets? Are they “very, very silly”?

I do find it quite unbelievable that women who have no issue, or are unscathed by issues, have absolutely no room in their heads, whatsoever, for other women.

How do they go through life with such an empathy bypass??

Especially, fucking especially when they're contributing to threads where there are men threatening to rape women with bloody rolling pins.

Talk about stick your fingers in your ears.

I'm always happy to share this experience even if it is negative because I want people to understand the social, emotional, relational, financial and professional implications this has on women.

Because of the time off I had to take I went from being in manageable, almost paid off debt, achieving a good monthly bonus, being on track to having a small emergency funds boon to fall back on and not relying on any benefits to a staggering 37 thousand pounds in debt being chased by an increasing number of creditors because of the finance I had to take out to cover previous debt and the monthly surcharges and overdraft fees and interest rates and also be able to pay bills and put food on the table, terrified of leaving the house, putting clothes on for fear of being watched, having the curtains drawn 24/7, living in darkness, not being able to let DP touch me, struggling with skin to skin contact with a newborn, not even able to leave the house to go to medical appointments to even discuss the damage that had been done.

It's been a long time since the incidents, and I am in such a better place but this could be any woman in any establishment in any single sex space and not everybody will have the support I am given.

I suspect some people will read my post and still take the "it will never happen to me" stance, or they will feel they have to be kind and put up with any mistreatment and even be given the Reframe Your Trauma type of support from their employers and maybe even feel guilty and like they are the oppressor for objecting in the first place.

If it makes even one person stop and think for a second about the cascade of events that could happen if this was them though, it has been worthwhile sharing.

I am SO sorry.

There are biological woman who look masculine. It’s not okay to police public toilets based on looks. The much more common problem is woman being harassed and assaulted for not looking feminine enough. Stop mixing trans-rights into the issue where it doesn’t belong. The issue you mention is men being a lot more scary & unsafe than other groups of people. Put energy to policing men & teaching boys.

We don’t need police to be wasting time going to public loos cause a woman looks masculine. We need police free to come quick when some disgusting perv is masturbating in woman’s loos.

So the only difference between a transgender woman and any other man is how they identify. That would be an accurate representation of your position. And how would you know how someone identifies?

I mean it's so bloody basic, isn't it.

The woman on the other thread, who was in the toilet next to the man masturbating, couldn't even get him removed!

So no, men aren't 'just going walk in'.

They're bloody going to walk in if they're invited in, told they can remain, and are allowed to masturbate while a woman is on all fours throwing up.

Fucking don’t feel it today @SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius

i feel like I’m banging my head against a brick wall. I ask the same questions and I never get answers.

why is this so contentious? I just want single SEX spaces to be single SEX.

and if we start with preferred pronouns or otherwise muddying the waters it becomes yes but … and that’s not enforceable then in law.

'Anyone claiming they don’t want transgender woman in women’s toillets due to threat of rape are very, very silly people'

Very very silly people? Did you mean to sound so patronising and rude?

I don't want men in women's area because they are women's areas. That is enough reason to start with. Then we can go on to how many women have been sexually assaulted so whether you think they are silly or not they do not want men in areas designated for women.

It isn't all about rape it is about men intimidating and enjoying making women feel uncomfortable.

Please tell me what is wrong with men who identify as women using a cubicle in the mens?

Transwomen are not as dangerous as cis-men. Not one single study supports this. Transgender people make up less than 1% of the population & suffer huge amounts of discrimination and violence. Those are the facts.

The 'disgusting perv' masturbating in the women's toilet was a transwoman.

Your TRA arguments don't work here. Of course we don't separate toilets on looks, that's the TRA argument.

We separate them on sex.

And you imagining that these transwomen will need to be policed is a real testament to their criminality.

How are you going stop them, is an odd argument to make when you're pro.

Tramswomen are massively over represented as sex offenders in prison.

You need to keep up.