Transgender hate on mum's net

[Steph2002]

I'm just wondering, I see so much hate on here about transgender woman and not a lot about transgender men. Does everyone on mum's net hate Transgender women and if so why? I don't mind sharing a toilet space with a transgender woman in fact my best friend is a transgender woman and she is the nicest person you could ever wish to meet and will protect any woman no matter where they are. I would hate to be sharing a toilet with a hairy masculine transgender man, which seems the way people want to go why? Am I the only person on here that supports trans gender women, if so I need to leave. How many people that hate Transgender women have actually met one and had issues with one I'd love to know.

Your posts have become rather incoherent and illogical.

surely you understand that by this logic you have just used to attempt to discredit women not wanting male people in their spaces, partly due to potential of sexual abuse, female toilets would already have been open access to any homosexual male person.

I was flashed a few years ago (not for the first time I might add).

I reported it, he was caught, given a suspended sentence. He’d previously been in prison for grooming a twelve year old girl.

The last I heard, he’d changed his name and stabbed a female probation officer, who was left with life-changing injuries. He’s now doing ‘life’ for attempted murder. But it was just a harmless flashing, right?

New militant mods? Or related to the current scoping for investors?

@Jimmyneutronsforehead you have my utmost sympathy for the whole situation. I had all day, all pregnancy sickness. No where near as bad as this. Where I worked we had disabled facilities on each floor and it was accepted that I should use those. Which I did, God knows how many times a day. No one complained. My colleagues could not have been more pleasant about it all. Just dreadful that you were given zero sympathy /empathy, practical assistance and then to be disbelieved. Just dreadful.

Sorry you went through such a horrendous experience. I mean it’s ridiculous that your employer made you come into work when you weren’t even capable of doing any work anyway. But how do you know this man was masturbating in the cubicle next to you? And why was he allowed in the women’s toilets if he hadn’t even come out as trans? Did he come to work dressed like a woman?

I am a survivor of extreme male violence. 3 times recently I've encountered males in female toilets, all very unpleasant and fearful for me. But it was in a past workplace that i was the most scared, a male colleague pretending to be female (& being encouraged by others it has to be said) followed me into the women's toilets, when everyone else had left the building. I heard him go into the cubicle next to me, but there was silence, i know he wasn't using the toilet to pee, he was sitting in there silently waiting, maybe listening to me pee (apparently this is a fetish). I was so intimidated and panicky i rushed out of there and ran to get out of the building. I left that job needless to say,as it was clear that no one else had a problem with him, quite the opposite.
But hey, if only i had been "kind". I shouldn't have to say any of this, but apparently women need to be utterly vulnerable to be able to say No to men.

Some of the 'be-kind'ers seem almost wilfully unaware of male sexuality. A luxury I can't afford. I'm not convinced any women can.

The sort of men who want access to loos or changing rooms that contain unconsenting women are not men I want be close to when my pants are round my ankles and I can't move quickly.

All transwomen are men, most of them are heterosexual. Many of them get a rush from sexual transgression. That's the only thing that makes them reluctant to use the facilities appropriate to their sex. They want fun, not to 'pee'. And they need the women to provide the fun.

We do sometimes talk about transmen. Seeing the brutal damage genderism has done and is doing to unhappy young women (including in my family and extended network) was my main trigger for taking a closer look at what is happening, and how it is completely unlike treating gay people at the normal and ordinary humans they are. I know I am not alone in that.

Exactly.

It is why the whole discussion on inclusion for these male people has essentially crumbled away.

If a male person is not considered female for competing in the Olympics, and not for being housed in a female prison when he is a rapist, and not for accessing a female only rape crisis service, and when during trials people can use accurate and correct sex language, then there is no fucking basis at all for treating any male person as a female because of his gender identity.

Now that, due to the work of women, the instances above have been said to be exceptions, none of the arguments are coherent for any other purpose at all.

I assume Jimmy means (please correct me if I’m wrong) that the colleague was an obvious man pretending that he was actually female.

I couldn't possibly guess...
But it is very noticeable.

It always happens at holiday time. The sudden boom in problematic posts on the very edge of trollery.

And mods reacting to things the usual mod squad have ignored for the last couple of years.

It looks organised. The good thing is it calms down when the youngsters go back to their studies.

I think we're going to see a lot more of this as time goes on. A continued public stoking of the embers of a dying ideology, perhaps as a way of coping with its loss.

He was a Trans woman. A man 6 foot odd tall, broad shouldered, 5 o'clock shadow, receding and thinning long haired man who wore a dress and lipstick.

It was extremely obvious he was a man, but he had entered the company and immediately introduced himself as Jade, she/her. Emperors new clothes situation. Everybody in the company was happy to play along.

I know this man was masturbating in the cubicle next to me due to a. The wet squelching sounds b. The groans and c. The semen dropping on the floor inches away from my head while I was on all 4s crunched over with my head in the toilet bowl.

It appears to be the longstanding MN posters who are being deleted. Not the trolls.

Trolls know how to wind people up, it’s what they do.

Pulling their lures through the water, waiting for the fish to rise and bite the sparkly thing . . . .

Remember it's named for an angling technique, not for a little creature under the bridge.

Well, you don't get to tell other women what they do or don't mind. Personally, I don't want to share toilets with men, regardless of what they look like, wear or call themselves. These spaces are, and should be, sex segregated. Transwomen are not female. That's a fact.

Anyone else think Steph's fishing expedition is a bit Rich?

I'm glad you can use the same loos as transwomen. What about those of us who can't? What if we can't share a loo with a transwoman because we have trauma responses or our religion or culture prohibits it? What are we supposed to do?

There are many women in this situation. Where is your empathy and compassion for us? Where are your attempts to understand why we feel as we do?

Why are transwomen's needs more important than ours? I really want an answer because the people who want women to be kind to transwomen never answer this question.

I try to have empathy for transwomen. I know many will be uncomfortable using the gents. I want them to have fourth spaces where possible and, e.g., rape crisis services either just for them or for mixed sex but also those services provided just for women bc many of us need single sex. I don't see much empathy for people like me from transwomen or those who want them in women's single sex spaces/services.

provide us with a checklist to run through to assess whether that TW who's trying to get into our single sex space is allowed or not

Using the OP's 'hairy' logic, I did wonder if the following procedure could be used at the loo entrance

• tilt leg to 45 degree angle
• remove silk handkerchief from pocket
• gently drop handkerchief onto leg above the knee
• if cloth slides gracefully to the floor you are OK to enter
• if the cloth gets snagged up then ¡No pasarán!

Whatever happened to all the transvestites? They've seemed to have disappeared over the last 10 years or so...

One of things that I'm always surprised by, and grateful for, is the persistent work of what feels like a core group of posters who deal, over and over again, year in, year out with the same questions and insults, slightly repackaged for this year's fashion in misogyny, but always the same tedious, narcissistic contempt at its heart. They do it for the lurkers like I was, maybe nine years ago now, who come onto this site because there is nowhere else to learn the arguments to counter this bullying nonsense and to hear evidence like yours of the damage that its viciousness does to women first hand. As I say, I've been lurking and occasionally posting for almost a decade now, but I've missed your posts about this episode up until now. It might feel repetitious to you, but I'm grateful and moved that you posted it again, so thanks for that, and please feel free to post it again as many times as feels necessary to you - you never know when a new lurker, or even an inattentive old one, might be reading..!

This is utter bullshit. Assaults and voyerism increase by over 100% in mixed sex changing rooms. Police statistics back this up. Transwomen prisoners are over represented in being jailed for sexual assault. MOJ stats back this up. You cannot tell a 'harmless' transwomen from any other. The same way you cannot tell a harmless male from any other. The ONLY solution is to ban ALL males from spaces where women are vulnerable. End fucking of.

Nope. Its like letting random dogs roam freely around nurseries because a lot of the children will have a pet dog at home.

What a horrendous experience. Truly. From every conceivable angle.

And if posters here think this is highly unusual, they ought to know, it's a massive porn genre.

Seems men aren't at all bothered about recording themselves wanking in women's toilets and uploading it from one end of the Internet to the other.

Some posters don't seem to understand that women's and men's biology is different, and therefore they require different accommodation.

That, of course, might be because those posters are men and have no idea about women's lives.

Men go to the toilet to poo and pee, (and, clearly, wank.)

Women need the toilet for all manner of things, including flooding periods, leaking breasts, morning sickness, miscarriages (most miscarriages happen on the toilet).

We need to use menstruation products, we need to adjust clothing, sometimes rinse it. And yes, sometimes throw up every bloody day. Because of our biology.

None of these things would ever occur to a man (unless he's AGP, and then he wants to pretend he experiences it).

It's really quite unbelievable that people, in 2026, still don't understand why women need different accommodation to men.

Hint: it's not just safety. It's also privacy and dignity.

It's bad enough throwing up, having a miscarriage, or flooding everywhere in a room with women in it, it's ten times worse if Brian from accounts is in the next cubicle.

Or Tiffany wanking to it.

What pisses me off the most is the fucking cast iron assumption that women's toilets, designed for them, for their biology because they have unique needs, must be repurposed to validate a handful of men. A significant proportion of whom are getting off on it.

The answer is no.