Transgender hate on mum's net

[Steph2002]

I'm just wondering, I see so much hate on here about transgender woman and not a lot about transgender men. Does everyone on mum's net hate Transgender women and if so why? I don't mind sharing a toilet space with a transgender woman in fact my best friend is a transgender woman and she is the nicest person you could ever wish to meet and will protect any woman no matter where they are. I would hate to be sharing a toilet with a hairy masculine transgender man, which seems the way people want to go why? Am I the only person on here that supports trans gender women, if so I need to leave. How many people that hate Transgender women have actually met one and had issues with one I'd love to know.

that's next week. The week after that we are marching in favour of FGM
And, 2 days later in support of the Taliban.

It's hard to keep up - we need a shared outlook calendar or something.

Probs the OP.

His timeline shows many protests including protesting against the girl guides being for girls.

Also reposted this absolute nonsense (image pending).

I don’t see how any sane women can agree that trans males rights and women’s rights can coexist without women giving up everything they fought for to placate these men.

TBH some of the Suffragette actions (bombs) don't sit well with me.

But I am happy with the result, and knowing that not all suffragettes were in favour of the violent actions.

ETA: this TW are THE MOST OPPRESSED [woe is us] anything is grating. If they were so oppressed we wouldn't have needed FWS in the SC. We wouldn't have had Posie Parker shouting "he's a man" to great waves of unrest, we wouldn't have had the IOC (and other organisations) saying "from now on, only women can enter women's competitions) to much wailing and gnashing of teeth. We wouldn't have all the histrionics about the WI being cunts, or people rending their garments over girl guides having to be, well, girls. The old fashioned type.

The Trans Lobby is powerful beyond apparently miniscule actual number of trans people. (shrödinger's quantity of trans people though, because on other occasions they are everywhere watching our every move, ready to have at us with splintered rolling pins)

Yes see I can't make myself see a man as a woman or vice versa. I used to make a polite pretense about it and I thought that was what everyone was doing.
Once I realised I was expected to actually believe it I went through a brief period of feeling I wasn't trying hard enough perhaps, but being expected to make myself believe men who say they are women are women is impossible for me.
How do you manage it?

And we all knew this 5 minutes ago. I have women's advice books from several different decades in the past and it's well documented and advice given to women on how to handle it.

In the 70s, 80s, 90s everyone knew this. We all knew about paraphilias. Heavy breather phone calls, flashers in the park, peeping toms, stealing women's underwear from washing lines, frottage, foot fetishes, the local pervs. Everyone knew.

And now we pretend that a whole particular group of men couldn't possibly have anything to do with any of that ... because they say they are women??!

Absolutely insane.

(Frottage is such an uncommonly used word and sounds like a sort of cheese, but if said in the right tone absolutely nails what it means. Weird. 🤔)

Yes, I agree. It's deeply disrespectful and outrageous of them to say, because they're instantly dismissing the real experience of so many women.

That's honestly the most repulsive thing I could imagine. This is why it is so deeply important to maintain firm on boundaries over single sex spaces. Any risk is worth eliminating.

Oh would that this were true.

Simple takeaway. It isn't true.

if one claims that a man who enters the ladies is by virtue of having entered the ladies demonstrating his harmlessness you have instantly created the perfect loophole or 'sacred caste' for abusers to exploit.

'Of course he's not a predator, he's using the ladies!' Is an absolutely astonishing trick to have pulled off.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5424501-199-days-later-national-day-of-action

This is post is all about trans hate, so is the group 199days it's what got me thinking

So women fighting for their legal sex based rights is “anti trans”? So does that mean all those protesters campaigning to destroy those rights are misogynistic thugs? If not, why not?

Maybe you shouldn’t. My husband and son would feel awkward and embarrassed if you strolled in while they were pissing at a urinal. Men have the right to a single sex toilet as much as women do.

The fact that some women choose to use men’s toilets (accepting the risks therein) is completely different to a man using women’s facilities without the consent of the women within the facility.

fwiw you might have been in the ladies toilets with hundreds of trans women over the years; how would you know?

Well there are the brow ridges, the gait, the hands and feet, the Adam's apple, the voice, the male pattern hair, the waist/hip ratio, the angle of the shoulders, the leg length comparative to their height, and the 100s of other details that don't necessarily mean anything independently but when added together allow those of us who don't refuse to see what's in front of our eyes to accurately judge sex in the vast majority of cases. And that's before we start to add things like clothing choices, attitudes and behaviour into the mix.

So while I will concede that it may me possible for some men to pass plenty don't and every time I've thought hmm that 'woman' being interviewed on Woman's Hour sounds a bit male or that person all over social media looking rather male and dripping with entitlement seems not to be what they say they a 5 minute or less Google has always revealed that yep the person that strikes me a male is in fact males despite the lippy and the dress.

I've asked this before but if its so hard to tell how come of the many pairing that happened in my 4 years in a large student house share which had a gay man, two lesbians, numerous straight women and a couple of straight guys over the course of the years how come there isn't a single case of someone pulling the 'wrong' sex? How come neither lesbian discovered that they had pulled a penis 'woman' and none of the straight woman discovered they had been snogging a woman?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5498910-one-year-later-11th-april-national-day-of-action

It's just a massive hate campaign against a very small group of people who will they be coming after one they have eradicated all the transgender community

Have you come back to answer some questions?

Ummm….. are you ok? Again, why is women fighting for their legal rights “anti trans”? Are women not allowed rights according to you?

It must really hurt that had one reply. All that effort on MN, for one reply.

you'll need to do better than just post a link.

Point out, either by link or copy/paste, where the "hate" is.

And please for the love of all that is holy define "hate"

Point out the hate on that thread?

What is hateful about the group 199days?

I recommend you report any hate to the mods. They are professional. If what you report meets what a reasonable person thinks is hateful it will be deleted. If it is not, if is very likely that you have your own personal definition that is not one meeting what society would find hateful.

Is it... male aggression here at play from 'Steph'?

For the gazillionth time - not prioritising one group in all things at all times over all other groups is not the same thing as hating them.

"When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"

Being pro women is not the same thing as being anti trans. Its ok to not centre the feelings of men above all other things.

One presumes so.

No.

It is a group pointing out to the government that they need to get out the guidance that gives further clarity on how to follow the law under the EA 2010.

You must think that the EA2010 is hateful if you think that campaign group is hateful.

I'll be there on Saturday @Steph2002 👋

I sense some escalation

Thank you for bringing this event to the attention of more posters OP

It's been almost a year since the Supreme Court Ruling, if you can, please attend a protest and let the government know that their inaction is unacceptable, unlawful and puts women and girls at risk.