Men dressing as women; what really motivates them.

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Malcolm Clark does not hold back on what really motivates men dressing as women.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2026/04/02/kristi-noems-husband-and-the-dark-secret-of-trans/

Bit of a stretch to make the assumption that every trans person is just trans for sexual thrills.

Bit of a stretch to read that into my post. It's not what I said.

I said:
some men get a sexual thrill from wearing "women's clothes".

I wasn't talking about "trans people". I didn't even mention them. I was talking about some men. Not "every trans person", but "some men". I specifically wasn't referring to women, however they identify.

If you want to have a discussion, I suggest you start reading posts properly before replying to them.

Personally, for me, the prefix trans doesn't really mean they think they're the opposite sex (I bet that's actually rare) or even necessarily actually want to be.

Often, their interpretation of the opposite sex is completely unrealistic, and I believe they know that.

To me the prefix trans means I want everyone to call me by the opposite sex pronoun and give me access to their spaces.

It's far more about what other people are expected to do and their behaviour towards the trans person.

it's fulfilling a fantasy. Which requires other people's compliance.

So how would you like to 'move forwards'?

What does 'moving forward' even mean in this context?

I was replying to your comment that clothes shouldn't be "gendered".

I've already said. We need first to acknowledge that transvestism in males has a sexual element.

This.

Exactly.

And then...?

Like what is the point of this thread

And then it’s easier for people to understand why they shouldn’t be in women’s spaces, isn’t it?

You said you thought clothing shouldn't be gendered. I agree that ideally that should be the case.

I said before we can get there, we need to acknowledge that when males wear what is traditionally female clothing there is often a sexual motivation behind their clothing choice.

So, bearing that in mind, how do you think we can get to a place where clothing isn't gendered?

Bit of a stretch to make the assumption that every trans person is just trans for sexual thrills.

Females generally don't do "trans' for the sexual thrill but for 100% of men the sexual thrill is what drives them.

Ages ago I book marked this classic about how trans people don’t want clothes to be gender neutral
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/will-smith-s-son-as-the-new-face-of-louis-vuitton-womenswear-might-seem-progressive-but-it-s-threatening-transgender-territory-a6797461.html

Wow, Tinsel, that's one of the most Me Me Me article I've read in years! What a myopic, self obsessed take on gender non-conformity.

"Everyone has to confirm to clothing stereotypes except me and my fellow TW so that that everyone will understand my twirly skirt makes me a woman."

Bras? What possible reason could a man have for wearing a bra?

Maybe the same reason that anybody likes to wear an un-necessary item, like jewellery. They just like the look of it.

Yeah, right. 🤔

Was that in response to me? I used your own language when I apologised. Had you said you were being attacked, I would have used that word, not hounded. I did not intend to hound you or attack you, even though it clearly felt that way to you. But here on MN we interrogate ideas. Your original statement sounded like the disingenuous naivety of TRA ploppers. The normal response is to interrogate it. You must understand that, with 100s of 1000s of users, we cannot be expected to recognise every one. Remember that many MNers are also autistic and will interpret statements very literally.

Interrogating your statement brought up an interesting idea: accepting that trans-IDed people say what they say does not mean accepting that they get to bend society around them. It’s worth discussing. The fact that some might disagree, and argue robustly, does not mean that they are ill-treating you.

Women managed to change society to the extent that trousers became 'normal' clothing for women, despite the fact that during this period men held most of the power. They did this because there was a huge demand from women to wear this item of clothing, and determination to change society to reflect this.

Since men still hold a disproportionate amount of power, the fact that skirts and dresses haven't become 'normal' everyday wear for men would seem to imply that there isn't much demand from men to wear these items.

So while clothes perhaps "shouldn't" be gendered, perhaps, when it comes to skirts and dresses, it's just what people want. And of course if a man really wants to wear a skirt, he can just do it.

Men can wear skirts: kilts. But men who call themselves trans don’t wear them. It’s clearly not about the feel of the breeze on the knees.

I always assumed that wearing skirts was a necessity of biology for women until improvements in sanitation, laundering and the availability of affordable clothing and sanitary protection made it practical to wear trousers on a regular basis.

(I’m old enough to remember the days of inconvenient and ineffective sanitary towels and belts and washing days being a big deal without recourse to washing machines and tumble dryers.)

As usual, Datun calls it.

thanks so much for recounting this, Taztoy. It is heartbreaking . I'm so sorry.

Taztoy I remembered your previous posts about your horrific experience. Love and support.

Totally agree with @Taztoy and if that makes me a ‘transphobe’ (whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean) I really couldn’t care less.

A bit late to the thread, but found some of the comments about Kristi Noem quite horrifying to read in a feminist space.

A reminder from Andrea Dworkin:

"Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy in behalf of women as a class, including all the women you don't like, including all the women you don't want to be around, including all the women who used to be your best friends whom you don't want anything to do with anymore. It doesn't matter who the individual women are."

And I greatly suspect that they get kicks from seeing women’s unease and discomfort at these men invading their space.

Taz, there's been some crossed wires. I understood what you meant.

I hope you're okay. Try not to take it personally. I genuinely don't think anyone was intending to 'hound' you.