Why is sex the only protected characteristic that people want to, or are ‘allowed’ to, self identify into? by

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This has been something that I mull over. Why is sex the only PC that society allows people to self id into with very little checks and balances? You can get your marker on your driving licence changed very easily.

disability: yes, I realise that people can self identify as disabled but if they want benefits associated with disability there is, quite frankly, a horrendous procedure to go through in order get benefits.

Age: if someone wanted to be older to get pension they wouldn’t be accepted or alternatively if they wanted to attend nursery but were 20 they would not be allowed. Think of the Scottish case of the man who pretended to be younger to be in high school again.

maternity: women who fake pregnancy are absolutely derided.

race: we all think of the obvious case of the women who faked being black but I’m also thinking about when you want to change your citizenship and the expensive, complicated and time consuming process you have to go through to achieve a change of citizenship.

Campaigners have fought for easy, cheap and dignified changes to “changing sex” (not possible as we know) but other PCs have very expensive, complicated and dehumanising process.

why is the PC of sex different?

I never said they should be.
because you affect both sides when you apply blanket bans and make blanket statements and I find it to be a bit more nuanced than that.

Do you agree that all men should be barred from womens prisons or not? What might be described as a blanket ban on men in womens prisons

Sexual assault. Obviously without knowing the detail it would only be rape if he had a penis and raped someone with it.

Well let’s say someone has a dsd. They have no periods and xy chromosome but they in every other way are a woman - they have hormones, breasts, a vagina etc, they’ve lived as a woman then they hit puberty and they find out. Where do you put them? By saying this because of trans people you’ve impacted their rights too. Do you see what I’m saying?

In England. Other countries would call that statutory rape.
the law in your country isn’t always right. England has plenty of stupid laws. I can take issue with this one and not be anti women.
rape is having sex with someone without their consent. In my eyes, men or women can do it. I’m allowed to have a problem with this law. We can have a new thread if you like but I don’t want to derail this one

Saying that rapists could go into women's prisons is definitely anti-women.

Personally I prefer this definition of only people with penises who rape or assisting someone with a penis to rape being called rape because it is very clear what that is.

I would place them according to their sex.

Someone with CAIS would have XY chromosome and be assigned female and go to a womens prison.

If a person has a male DSD they would go to a male prison.

Well in my book they could because in my book women are capable of rape and I think the us laws on statutory rape are protective and in victims interests.

But what if they’ve lived as a woman their entire life? What if they’ve had surgery? Are they trans? This is where this becomes problematic and I’d argue for nuance.
im really not anti women. I think this is a very complex argument, as I’ve said

Medical experts would determine their sex .

What has people with DSDs got to do with men who say they are women?

We are short of prison places. So imagine the govt puts aside the resources to build new capacity. So far, so good.
The new prisons become third (mixed sex) spaces. Would they be opt in? In which case, some men would opt in, no women would. So you’d just have new men’s prisons (which are probably needed, but wouldn’t help overcrowding in women’s prisons.)
Or would they be for all people with DSDs, obligatory. I say obligatory as I can’t see why a woman with a DSD would want to be housed with men, or VV. Seems very anti inclusion. And forcing reluctant women to reside with men is exactly what we’re trying to avoid.
confused I think you’re confused by more than dating, you haven’t thought this through at all, just grabbed some slogans off the internet and are now testing them to their conclusion.

Because these people would argue that gender dysphoria is as much of a medical condition as a dsd.
because if they can have nuance why can’t trans people? Why can’t a dr decide which prison someone who’s had surgery goes to?

ive not come in pretending to be all knowing. I’ve come in with two very conflicting identities (queer and feminist) and I’m discussing with you to understand more.

Those people would be wrong. Someone with a congenital chromosomal condition is not the same as someone who identifies as trans.

We are told by TRAs that gender dysphoria is not necessary for someone to be trans.

We have seen Trans Activists for the last decade argue this point.

Luckily the Olympic Committee has spent a whole 2 years on their research into the strength, reach, power advantages of male puberty and if you look at any male DSD olympian it is clear they are male and have larger bone structures etc.

If you care to read that, it sets out the position clearly and I'd use that as my basis but 99.99999% of the time, males will go to male prisons and be protected using the already set out common procedures to protect vulnerable male inmates in those prisons.

It is important to go through this, after witnessing the mass 'prison onset gender dysphoria' that has been undergone completely and utterly coincidentally and not stratigcally at all in every 'self Id get in front of the law' country on the planet.

Right but I’d argue competing in the olympics isn’t a basic human right like safety, and this is where I’m a bit confused with the prison thing.

please don’t lump me in with aggressive tras. I’m not here to do that, I’m here to discuss this with you. I know and love lots of trans people and I know and love lots of women who feel the same way as you, so I find this very complex

Really? What’s the argument there? I’ve never heard of gender dysphoria not being a thing for trans people?

Maybe you should do a bit more research then

Maybe I should but it’s hard if I don’t know what to google lol

But the legal processes around citizenship are completely seperate to race. I realise you probably haven't thought this through, but suggesting they are linked could be perceived as racist!

Solitary confinement, especially over longer periods, is cruel and inhumane and I think against human rights.

it’s just a slippery slope when you start condoning it

Bit rude and hypocritical to be calling someone stupid when you can’t even use your words. But ok. Whatever.

Yes it is. And so you see why it becomes a problem when you go nope into men’s prison you go and the person is screaming ‘but I’m not safe here!’ and you have to think about their human rights too.
ethics isn’t easy hey?

I'm not calling you stupid, just posting a gif of a straw man