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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why is sex the only protected characteristic that people want to, or are ‘allowed’ to, self identify into? by

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SingleSexMattersInCharity · 27/03/2026 22:45

This has been something that I mull over. Why is sex the only PC that society allows people to self id into with very little checks and balances? You can get your marker on your driving licence changed very easily.

disability: yes, I realise that people can self identify as disabled but if they want benefits associated with disability there is, quite frankly, a horrendous procedure to go through in order get benefits.

Age: if someone wanted to be older to get pension they wouldn’t be accepted or alternatively if they wanted to attend nursery but were 20 they would not be allowed. Think of the Scottish case of the man who pretended to be younger to be in high school again.

maternity: women who fake pregnancy are absolutely derided.

race: we all think of the obvious case of the women who faked being black but I’m also thinking about when you want to change your citizenship and the expensive, complicated and time consuming process you have to go through to achieve a change of citizenship.

Campaigners have fought for easy, cheap and dignified changes to “changing sex” (not possible as we know) but other PCs have very expensive, complicated and dehumanising process.

why is the PC of sex different?

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Talkinpeace · 28/03/2026 16:38

People are free to believe what they like about themselves.
They are not free to force me to share that belief.

If a man says he is a women, I do not have to support his delusion

Hedgehogforshort · 28/03/2026 18:24

@confusedbydating a “queer feminist” is an oxymoron

ScrollingLeaves · 28/03/2026 19:24

confusedbydating · 28/03/2026 13:04

He wouldn’t have the same target a trans woman who’s had surgery would though?

I believe a beautiful looking young man, including a gay one, would definitely be a target.

Lots of men don’t care what hole they get. Think of rape in the Russian army.
They don’t think they are being gay if they are doing the penetrating.

ScrollingLeaves · 28/03/2026 19:25

ScrollingLeaves · 28/03/2026 19:24

I believe a beautiful looking young man, including a gay one, would definitely be a target.

Lots of men don’t care what hole they get. Think of rape in the Russian army.
They don’t think they are being gay if they are doing the penetrating.

And not many transwomen have had surgery.

ScrollingLeaves · 28/03/2026 19:40

This is Human Rights Watch on prison rape. The first sentence cites a case about a pre-operative transwoman, then all the rest is about ordinary boys and men getting sexually abused and raped.

ScrollingLeaves · 28/03/2026 19:41

ScrollingLeaves · 28/03/2026 19:40

This is Human Rights Watch on prison rape. The first sentence cites a case about a pre-operative transwoman, then all the rest is about ordinary boys and men getting sexually abused and raped.

Human Rights Watch male on male rape in prisons

www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report4.html

PrettyDamnCosmic · 29/03/2026 08:48

confusedbydating · 28/03/2026 10:27

And how does the best practise 3rd space resonate with you? So like toilets for men, women and neutral gendered?
as the mother of 2 boys, I will always use the disabled. Gender neutral is great for parents out with their kids who can’t use their genders bathroom. so doing things like this - gender neutral spaces as well as single sex spaces- benefits not just trans people.
like how is a third space you don’t have to use impacting on your rights and safety? Queer spaces don’t tend to have single sex toilets. They tend to have private cubicles and if alcohol is involved there’s a bouncer there.

It’s a bit more nuanced than you’re making it out to be. It’s quite shocking hearing you so angry about a marginalised group that face prejudice every day.
you don’t have to exclude them completely, you can listen to their concerns, say what works - eg, third gender neutral optional toilets - and what doesn’t - trans people in single sex changing rooms - without completely dismissing someone else’s reasonable request.

my friend is not going around scaring men in toilets. He’s living his life and contributing to the planet and a lovely person. Why wouldn’t I call him he? you don’t have to like it but I’d like to understand more about your pov and how you got their without you insulting my friends?

It’s a bit more nuanced than you’re making it out to be. It’s quite shocking hearing you so angry about a marginalised group that face prejudice every day.

I'm not angry. I was simply explaining why it is totally unreasonable for your female friend who wishes she were a man to use the Gents. There is no nuance. What she is doing is wrong. The choice is hers to use the Ladies or Gender Neutral but she absolutely should not use the Gents because she is & will forever remain female.

BeSpoonyTurtle · 29/03/2026 10:07

SingleSexMattersInCharity · 27/03/2026 22:45

This has been something that I mull over. Why is sex the only PC that society allows people to self id into with very little checks and balances? You can get your marker on your driving licence changed very easily.

disability: yes, I realise that people can self identify as disabled but if they want benefits associated with disability there is, quite frankly, a horrendous procedure to go through in order get benefits.

Age: if someone wanted to be older to get pension they wouldn’t be accepted or alternatively if they wanted to attend nursery but were 20 they would not be allowed. Think of the Scottish case of the man who pretended to be younger to be in high school again.

maternity: women who fake pregnancy are absolutely derided.

race: we all think of the obvious case of the women who faked being black but I’m also thinking about when you want to change your citizenship and the expensive, complicated and time consuming process you have to go through to achieve a change of citizenship.

Campaigners have fought for easy, cheap and dignified changes to “changing sex” (not possible as we know) but other PCs have very expensive, complicated and dehumanising process.

why is the PC of sex different?

Because it protects women and puts barriers on men.

TheKhakiQuail · 29/03/2026 10:56

SingleSexMattersInCharity · 27/03/2026 23:14

Yes I realise that, though for some religions there are processes to go through to convert, whilst some of the orthodox or extreme religions don’t really accept people who convert.

sexual orientation is a self ID thing yes BUT it really only affects the individual and the few people they have sexual activity with NOT wider society.

me identifying as a different sexual orientation I’m not doesn’t really affect anyone else.

And if you identified as straight but were in a gay relationship or hook up with people of the opposite sex, people would have questions.

TheKhakiQuail · 29/03/2026 11:10

SingleSexMattersInCharity · 28/03/2026 14:41

You’ve no idea how much I love this list. All that being true WHY TF is sex the PC that has compaigns out to allow wide spread societal, moral and legal acceptance of self ID?

I just don’t get it.

Logically, race is much more of a spectrum as well. Many people say they are 'half Black' or 'part asian' etc, or they do a DNA test and tell everyone they are 3% this and 27% that.

It would take much less to imagine a world where everyone was similarly mixed race, or racism was completely obliterated, and race was no longer a significant social construct, than to imagine a world where sex was no longer relevant (even just from a reproductive/physical perspective).

Age is a spectrum, and you can alter your physical appearance to look younger, or your 'biological age' via health measures.

So yes, it makes no logical sense to treat sex as the sole characteristic people can identify into.

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