Why is sex the only protected characteristic that people want to, or are ‘allowed’ to, self identify into? by

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This has been something that I mull over. Why is sex the only PC that society allows people to self id into with very little checks and balances? You can get your marker on your driving licence changed very easily.

disability: yes, I realise that people can self identify as disabled but if they want benefits associated with disability there is, quite frankly, a horrendous procedure to go through in order get benefits.

Age: if someone wanted to be older to get pension they wouldn’t be accepted or alternatively if they wanted to attend nursery but were 20 they would not be allowed. Think of the Scottish case of the man who pretended to be younger to be in high school again.

maternity: women who fake pregnancy are absolutely derided.

race: we all think of the obvious case of the women who faked being black but I’m also thinking about when you want to change your citizenship and the expensive, complicated and time consuming process you have to go through to achieve a change of citizenship.

Campaigners have fought for easy, cheap and dignified changes to “changing sex” (not possible as we know) but other PCs have very expensive, complicated and dehumanising process.

why is the PC of sex different?

He tends to frequent queer spaces because of attitudes like this, sadly. So a lot of your issues aren’t really issues.
idk i completely agree with most of your points but i don’t see how using pronouns of someone is any different to using their new married name?!

Idk. I don’t think they should be in a men’s or women’s prison. I think they should have protection plans based on individual needs.
oh give me the money and I will reform the prison system haha

Women are a lot safer in a prison with only female prisoners then they are in a mixed sex prison

So you want a trans only prison?

There’s so much staff on prisoner abuse… and prisoner on prisoner abuse.
men go into women’s prisons and harm them. The culture of the prisons mean they usually get away with it.
women are not safe in prison

What are the 'obvious reasons' that Karen White and Barbie Kardashian should not be in a men's prison?

idk I’m not a politician and I don’t know if this is financially viable or wanted. But I do think putting someone with a vagina (even if it is by surgery) into a man’s prison is safe or fair, no.

So because women are at risk from male staff it's OK to put them at even greater risk by putting males in prison with them?

Abuse by other prisoners? Safety? Like you can’t live in a society that condones abuse of anyone otherwise it’s a slippery slope, no?

Oh absolutely!

Most of the trans identified men who have been put into women's prisons have a penis. Does that make a difference to where you think they should be housed?

You’re not reading my posts. I said it’s more nuanced than this. I said that it should be done individually and prisoners need to be kept safe. There are options beyond men’s prison and women’s prison. Just because it’s the way it is now doesn’t mean it’s working.

We're not only talking about your friend though. We're talking about anyone who thinks they should be able to use a space designated for the opposite sex.
I don't know what you mean by 'He tends to frequent queer spaces'. in this context.
i don’t see how using pronouns of someone is any different to using their new married name?!
A new married name is something you may have to work to remember (likely only until you get used to it), but it's not something that you'll keep on tripping up over because it's intuitively and obviously wrong like calling a woman 'he' is.
Also, people are not likely to round on you if you get a married name wrong, but social censure for not playing the trans pronoun game is sadly very common.

What are those options for a male rapist and attempted murderer?

I’m confused are you talking about female to male or male to female? Because you’re not using pronouns in a way that makes this easy to follow.
if you have a penis and you’ve committed a crime then no you should not be allowed around vulnerable women. But if you look like a woman and you’re likely to be sexually abused by other men you can’t just be left in gen pop in a male prison? Like I said this is very nuanced?

You said it was obvious and now you put a question mark so not that obvious to you either so stop making ridiculous statements about violent rapists who hate, one of which has expressed the desire to murder, women.

You can self identify as gay (sexual orientation) or sexual identity (transgender) or religion (say you decide to be Muslim or Jewish - possibly without a conversion of any sort). You can’t identify as female - the Supreme Court decided that . You can however identity as transgender.

Putting Barbie Kardashin in with women is not keeping prisoners safe is it? Bearing in mind his desire to murder them.

Race is different to citizenship. Think of the UK and all the different race of people that live here. It is not uncommon for people to self identify with a different race. There are other white people who self-identify as black or Native American or south East Asian or Italian for example, sometimes when they have some characteristics in common but people also go to extremes and have surgery to make them appear like a different ethnicity. For example OIi London, a young man from England who has undergone multiple surgical procedures to make himself look Korean.

Don't hold back 😂 (I agree with you btw, it is enraging, and a load of shite, but my wee country appears to want to embrace it. Fannies).

It is obvious that there would be this type of abuse in men’s prisons. The question mark is used to go have you not thought about these things because they seem pretty obvious to me.
I cannot condone abuse of anyone because like I said it’s a slippery slope. Lock up rapists by all means but I’m not going to condone rape of them because I don’t want to condone rape in the first place.
this isn’t hard? (Question mark used again to show I’m a bit shocked because this is obvious)

Oh good lord I can’t do this if you’re not actually going to read my posts 🙈

Trans identified men are men who say they are trans. Approx 80-90% of men who say they are women have a penis.

A man can obtain a GRC which allows him to get a female birth certificate without any requirement for him to have genital surgery or take hormones

The majority of men who have been placed in womens prisons have a penis.

Are you saying only men who have had genital surgery should be placed in womens prisons?

I don’t know. I don’t know enough about it.
but I do believe I cannot put them in a male prison because of the safety risks, and if I do that knowing these risks I’m basically condoning sexual abuse. Which is always wrong. Period. And has to be to protect women and girls from male violence.
this is nuanced for me, I keep saying. I’m interested to talk to you about this. What do you think?

I think this is wrong. People shouldn’t be allowed to self ID as a certain religion to gain access to education.

It is a good example though.