Why is sex the only protected characteristic that people want to, or are ‘allowed’ to, self identify into? by

[SingleSexMattersInCharity]

This has been something that I mull over. Why is sex the only PC that society allows people to self id into with very little checks and balances? You can get your marker on your driving licence changed very easily.

disability: yes, I realise that people can self identify as disabled but if they want benefits associated with disability there is, quite frankly, a horrendous procedure to go through in order get benefits.

Age: if someone wanted to be older to get pension they wouldn’t be accepted or alternatively if they wanted to attend nursery but were 20 they would not be allowed. Think of the Scottish case of the man who pretended to be younger to be in high school again.

maternity: women who fake pregnancy are absolutely derided.

race: we all think of the obvious case of the women who faked being black but I’m also thinking about when you want to change your citizenship and the expensive, complicated and time consuming process you have to go through to achieve a change of citizenship.

Campaigners have fought for easy, cheap and dignified changes to “changing sex” (not possible as we know) but other PCs have very expensive, complicated and dehumanising process.

why is the PC of sex different?

Not pervs. Of the opposite sex.

Do you think there is any reason for single sex washrooms, changing rooms or toilets?

Where have I suggested that?

98% of sexual assualts are committed by men so all men, however, they identify should stay out of female single sex spaces.

I don't distinguish between men who say they are men and men who say they are women

It’s not. you seem to have forgotten that religious belief is a PC.

Vastly more people self-ID into a religion for the purposes of getting their child into a specific school than self-ID into the opposite sex.

In fact self-IDing into a convenient religion is so commonplace it’s not even really seen as a bad thing to do, just a hoop to jump through.

It depends what country you are in. In the country we are in, this isn’t illegal. If I wanted to use the men’s toilets - which, if I am being honest, I’m guilty of doing when there’s a huge queue for the women’s and no one is in there - I wouldn’t get in trouble. I wouldn’t do this if they were in there but it wouldn’t be illegal if I did.

Sorry but I don't follow your 'they’re not the only people in the trans umbrella.' point.
I actually said your style is changing from faux-naive as we go on.

Yes and I agree but how does that stop you from using someone’s preferred pronouns? Feels like a huge leap?

You’d be working so hard filling in a form with your new pretend age so why not?

You identify as a geriatric. I’m sure you’re so discriminated against because you’re taking rights such as a pension that aren’t legally yours but since you’re a trans-age person I support your self identified rights.

I’m fascinated to know what you mean by that. I’m not naive. I’m a member of the queer community and a traumatised rape survivor who will be out there with you campaigning for women only spaces.

i jus don’t get why you hate all trans people??:

Multinational of body parts isn’t a medical process. Doctors should do no harm.

We do not amputate limbs from people with body integrity dysphoria. Why those with breast dysphoria? Oh it’s an ideology….

There's certainly a conversation to be had about the morality of pretending to be a particular religion (or suddenly rediscovering enthusiasm for a religion that is technically yours but which you haven't engaged with for a long time) for school purposes, but a crucial difference is that doing that doesn't impinge on other people’s safety, privacy or dignity in the way that men using women’s spaces does.

I’m not naive.
No, that's why I called your style 'faux-naive'. And, again, it is changing as you continue to post.
i jus don’t get why you hate all trans people??:
Please, don't insult the intelligence of everyone on here by wheeling that old trope out. It's beneath your and everyone's dignity.

Why should i use false descriptions of people? If I'm talking about why someone like Karen Wight or Barbie Kardashian should not be in womens prison how is it helpful to refer to them as she rather than he.

I’m not trying to insult you I’m trying to understand you.
wheres your limit? If someone says they want to identify as something and it’s not harming you, I’ve always been live and let live. Where is the limit for you?
a 25 yo deciding to live as a man isn’t harming you. Idk why you’re being so mean about him.

Because it suits men.

They shouldn’t be in a men’s prison either, for obvious reasons.
it’s so nuanced and I find it hard when complex arguments are reduced to binaries.

They are men so why shouldn't they be in a mens prison?

Oh I agree, but OP stated that sex was the only PC that people want to identify into, when this is very clearly not the case.

Regarding not harming people - someone who self-identifies into a religion and lives closer to the school will get priority over someone who is genuinely of that religion who lives further away. So it’s not free of consequence for others.

Because transphobia and the type of men in these prisons mean it wouldn’t be safe for them there and they are human beings who deserve basic rights and dignity no matter what they’ve done?

The limit is when someone's rights impinge on someone else's.
So with your friend who is a woman who says she's a man, she changes her name from (e.g.) Susan to Steve. Fine.
She takes on stereotypically male-coded aspects of appearance like short hair and trousers. Fine.
She uses the men's loos or changing rooms. Not fine. Because both sexes need and should be confident that they are getting single-sex spaces when they are partially dressed or undressed/performing necessary intimate tasks/vulnerable.
She and maybe friends of hers require people to refer to her as 'he' or 'him'. Not fine. Because it's not true and it requires a mental adjustment/pause/stress every time.

It’s not safe for a lot of men in prison - this is a problem that the prison service and men need to address. It’s not women’s problem.

So what prison do you suggest these men are housed in?

Karen White sexually assaulted female prisoners and Barbie Kardashian tried to rape his mother and rip the eyelids off a female social worker

Oh I agree, but OP stated that sex was the only PC that people want to identify into, when this is very clearly not the case.
Yes. I also pointed out that this also applies to religious or philosophical beliefs.

someone who self-identifies into a religion and lives closer to the school will get priority over someone who is genuinely of that religion who lives further away. So it’s not free of consequence for others.
You can certainly argue that it's inequitable if a family has the funds to move closer to the school they want their child to go to and another family genuinely of a certain religion doesn't. But It's not the fault of the family with funds that the other one doesn't have them. There's all kinds of societal pressures behind that inequality.

Solitary confinement? Supervised socialisation? I mean no they can’t demand to be in a woman’s prison but they can ask for protection from prisoners who would abuse them. Do you see where I’m coming from?

I’d disagree - it’s not safe in women’s prisons either. It’s everyone’s problem!

So you agree with me that they should be in a mens prison