Men who say they are women

[Shedmistress]

Men who say they are women and then also say 'I don't like men in women's spaces'.

They totally understand that the men that are in women's spaces, are them, right?

They must know that.

We know they know that.

They know that we know they know that.

They know full well that the reason 'nobody has ever challenged me' is because women don't want a punch in the face. Or to face years of a tribunal because the man who says he is a woman went crying to the manager.

They say they are victims of the patricarchy, but they ARE the patriarchy. They know this. Because they are men.

This whole 'needing to use female spaces' comes from the doctors who would only sign off on a surgery if the men had duped people into allowing them to use female spaces, and to which we refer back to the above points of nobody wanting to challenge them. Not because of the potential for male violence, just for the exploitation of females who don't want to be punched.

I find it fascinating, i really do, the delusion to which we are all supposed to dance around and the deletions when women just say no. Or when women refer to their own situations having come across these men and the inferences that 'we've never met one, so how would we even tell'. For me it is the personal experiences that made me as hard line as I am.

Crikey that genocide has been going on for a long time!

& yet again it's not very long at all. Transexualism was only invented about 50-60 years ago when pervy men got access to oestrogen, boob jobs & genital surgery.

PMSL

You are not a serious person if you come out with bullshit like this.

You are a man and will be so until the day you die.

You know that. We know that.

You are as bad, if not worse, than men who do not identify as trans because you have no respect whatsoever towards women and think you should have the right to transgress women's boundaries on a daily basis.

I have no words for the utter contempt that I hold men like you in. This has nothing to do with how you dress or the fact you are trans, it is because I hold you in equal contempt to how you hold me.

If you want my respect you start respecting me and my boundaries and stay the fuck out of women's spaces.

It is like 'I want the female toilets not the mixed sex ones' but it is you mate that makes them all mixed sex, the moment you set foot in them.

Yes I understand. It’s like that with all unshakable beliefs.

What puzzles me, though, is that if they believe that they are and always have been women, then they can’t be trans, because they haven’t changed, or crossed over anything. They’re women.

The hips Betty - don't forget the hips

I didn't think this would hold up.

There's something about going into these type of threads in particular.

It's almost as if there's something to prove that female posters don't have to.

"you have no respect whatsoever towards women and think you should have the right to transgress women's boundaries on a daily basis."

This is where I think the discussion has reached.

Given it's these threads that get invaded the most it's hard to argue there's not a theme about trying to actively transgress.

😂😂😂

Have you seen the video clip of the transwoman filming himself licking loos seats? For the fetishists, even if they don’t directly touch or interact with women they want us to know what they do in our spaces.

It is like the ludicrous discussion about how these male people are not 'oppressing' female people when they are clearly removing any meaningful language that we need to describe ourselves, they simply ignore any laws or requests to not use female single sex provisions which they have been explained very bluntly causes female people harm when they do use those provisions, and then use aggression and emotional manipulation and DARVO to get the outcomes that they demand.

The entire situation rests on the personal beliefs of these men and they cannot accept that their actions are very typical of the actions of men for millennia.

The gaslighting is off the scale. But apparently, it ceases to be gaslighting if the person saying it says the magic words that they believe that they are something they are materially not.

He maybe sweet but he's fuckkng sexist.

No, you're not. And I find you appropriating my identity offensive.

You were born male, your cells and chromosomes are male, you are male and you will remain so until you do.

A woman is a person with a female body that has periods, can birth a baby and goes through menopause. A woman is a girl who has been socialised and treated as a female all her life, which generally means being treated as lesser.

You have not, cannot and will not ever do this because you are a man.

The dishonesty is central to it.
It's very Trumpian. Say any old combination of words and act as though there's some logic to it.
Refuse to ever clarify what you mean because it's obvious to everyone that doing so would make you look bad, so just gish-gallop and cofabulate.

I don't read Reddit. To me it is bloody obvious that men should not use women's toilets. But due to confusion for my friend (he was told to use the women's toilets by doctors, he is autistic and seems incapable of understanding that his supposedly female brain does not make him female (even if it existed)) it would be really flipping helpful if the law specifically clarified that the actual users would be breaking the law, as opposed to just the service provider.

It wouldn't be a complicated law would it. "It is an offence to use the toilets/changing rooms of the opposite sex, unless you are under age 8, or are engaged in cleaning the facilities as part of your employment." Simple.

I think that when a couple of men who declare they are female mocked female people's toilet sounds in a discussion on twitter, they opened many women's eyes to just how much contempt these men have for women. They do indeed fetishise women and their body functions and body parts.

They are capable of nuance when they want to be. Take this gem I saw on Reddit:

"Crossdressers shouldn't use it [the word tranny] because they're not trans, if they're called the t-slur, it's only because they've been mistaken for a trans woman."

I've also seen long discussions about how "cis people" should have nothing to do with transgender stuff as, no matter how well intentioned, "cis people" just don't get the trans experience and never will. It would be hilarious were it not so terrifying.

And yet... we are constantly told that we are either far right ourselves, or 'conservatives' so the poster doesn't get deleted, or we are 'tools of the far right'.

The tactics they use really are like Trump. Often they will throw shit out into the ether and then defend it with 'you are all poo poo heads' type defences while feeling that they are supremely intellectual.

Ever since that man got convicted for having sex with a pile of leaves outside a travelodge, nothing men do can surprise me. Honestly, coming on here saying they are women is a drop in the ocean of the insanity of men, the absolute depths they will plumb.
Women are very tolerant of it, but it is quite repetitive after a while. You try and stay engaged and curious, but it is very samey and narcissistic and ultimately SO BORING.

I'm not sure why we expect anything better from men who me-rail so much other than complete narcissism and shitting all over anyone but themselves.

They are incapable and unwilling to think about the world from any perspective other than their own.

They expect us to serve them. If they expect us to serve them, think about the family dynamics...

The reports of a man committing sexual acts (sticking his penis in the hole in the lid) with a man hole cover in the street was the one that I couldn't believe.

I fully understand that some male people don't want to be 'men' but it is an impossibility and society should not be gaslighted that they are 'women'.

I think about the family and friend dynamics a lot.

Here is the image from that tweet I mentioned on page 1.

This is from PrideUK with the text 'what should they do'. They turned the comments off.

Embarrassing confession but I am very self conscious about anyone hearing me use the loo. It stems from childhood when a workmen was in the house doing something to the floor directly outside the bathroom. He made a comment to me when I left the room about hearing me pee and I’ve been conscious of it ever since. Who the fuck does that?!

I agree with this.

However, their simultaneous and contradictory instance that body sex is not what makes a person a man or a woman but also that body sex cannot be recognised and the challe ges that come with it supported independently of gender-identity-based language, support and services betrays that these genuine beliefs are still rooted in sexism and misogyny.

Whether they realise it consciously or not, their identity expressions ultimately depends on most of the population continuing to follow the old sex-based Ideas of man and woman even though any genuine acceptance of gender identity beliefs would make these things meaningless to provide the background that they they desire to identify into.