Men who say they are women

[Shedmistress]

Men who say they are women and then also say 'I don't like men in women's spaces'.

They totally understand that the men that are in women's spaces, are them, right?

They must know that.

We know they know that.

They know that we know they know that.

They know full well that the reason 'nobody has ever challenged me' is because women don't want a punch in the face. Or to face years of a tribunal because the man who says he is a woman went crying to the manager.

They say they are victims of the patricarchy, but they ARE the patriarchy. They know this. Because they are men.

This whole 'needing to use female spaces' comes from the doctors who would only sign off on a surgery if the men had duped people into allowing them to use female spaces, and to which we refer back to the above points of nobody wanting to challenge them. Not because of the potential for male violence, just for the exploitation of females who don't want to be punched.

I find it fascinating, i really do, the delusion to which we are all supposed to dance around and the deletions when women just say no. Or when women refer to their own situations having come across these men and the inferences that 'we've never met one, so how would we even tell'. For me it is the personal experiences that made me as hard line as I am.

You never actually had the ‘right’ to have override female single sex provision in the first place though.

And even if (very big if) they are at risk in the appropriate rather than the appropriated toilets or changing rooms, that is not women's problem to solve. If they are so concerned about male violence surely they should be campaigning about that, rather than exporting it to our spaces.

You cannot help yourself can you? It is like putting sweeties in front of a toddler.

What I would like is some sort of hand or eye signal that I could use to indicate to a trans identifying man that I know he is a man. It appears that unless you point and shout ‘you’re a man’ they think they pass and think you don’t know and can’t tell. Personally, pointing and shouting is a bit of a rude approach for me so I don’t do it.

I would also appreciate an acceptable form of words to let a trans identifying man know that I am not comfortable with him using women only spaces, particularly toilets as I have been the victim of a male voyeur previously. Maybe the trans identifying man on this thread could help me out.

Great question!
[the poster said her trains friend ' shoots straight into the cubicle, head down, then shoots out, head down, flits his hands under the tap, and shoots out again'.]

Dressed in a 'unisex' style as she says he does, there's no reason why he couldn't - in complete anonymity and safety - use the men's in similar manner.

Well spotted, IsoldeWagner

TOYLA- you're not 'at risk'. This has been shown to be incorrect, unless someone has statistics I've not seen????
Most men (so I'm told) go into a loo, do the necessary and get out!
And even if you were at risk, that isn't women's problem to solve, it's on men. We are not shields for men; it's a full time job looking out for ourselves!
We have enough to cope with, re VAWG thank you

You're not being asked, you've been told.

The law is clear.

The reason for women's single sex spaces being created in the first place was for women's safety and dignity, based on risks and disadvantages we face because of our biology. They are not, and never have been, spaces for males.

If you really feel you shouldn't have to use male single sex facilities, then campaign for a space of your own. We're not going to give up our protections so you can have them instead.

Thanks, I genuinely can't see the reason for him not to use the men's loo.
There's no answer so far.....

Yes @HarrietofFire it would be interesting to know what would be acceptable.

I suspect the answer is "nothing". We've asked this before. Posters have quoted the law, explained their own trauma, set out their reasons clearly. It made no impact. None. Posters were told they were "weaponising their trauma" by talking about attacks or voyeurs, as you have. Which is beyond disgusting.

Basically, they're going to do it because they want to do it. What a woman wants, and is legally entitled to, makes no difference at all.

Must identify as a man who says he's a woman.

No. You're not being put at risk. There is not shred of evidence for that.

We are asking you to ...

Respect the law

Respect women's rights to safety, dignity

Respect women's consent.

Fundamentally, think about someone other than yourself for a damn change.

That's a very female quality btw. One that you are utterly lacking.

The one that immediately sprung to mind is Jasper Carrott's old way of signing 'dickhead', but it's not subtle...

Nope, just a woman like you

Based on your previous post, you aren't a woman, you're a man. Enough of this gaslighting, we cannot be dealing with liars.

Anyone born male is never a woman.

Your user name is highly appropriate in this context.

@TiredOfYourLiesAgain would like to hear your views on this.

I may have been born male, but I’m still a woman

No, you are not.
It is impossible.
Born male, forever male.
ETA: Forever a man (for the avoidance of doubt and sophistry)

Utter bullshit. As you well know. As I've said before, we aret entertaining liars.

You must know this isn't correct!
Really??? 😆

Utter crap. You're a man. And it's obvious to everyone around you. And to us.

This is my point. You are the man in the women's toilets that you don't like.

You need to look in the mirror and stop believing your own lies.

I’ve asked this before, what would be the acceptable way of saying: I know you are a man, I’m not comfortable with you here at all, I don’t feel safe using a single sex space with a man in it, don’t use this space. There’s never an answer. The tip toeing around men with mental health conditions continues…

Of course he knows. It's just fuckwittery

And a blood test would come up with which sex? 🤔